Marquis Spirit vs. Bullfrog AL5

[BullFrogSpasMN]

People always resist new ideas and cling to old ones.  It's human nature. 

Also, love the guy who has never been in a Bullfrog or seen one built telling us it's not therapeutic and there is more plumbing than claimed 

It's all "white noise"........service techs on message boards who "know everything" don't buy brand new hot tubs so it has no effect on anything other than something pounding on their chest on the internet claiming to know everything about a product they've have little to no experience with

[Hottubguy]

This is still going on.  No question bullfrog does it differently, does that make them better?  My opinion is no only different. I think they make an nice tub and obviously put a lot of thought into there design. It's probably the perfect tub for some and probably not for others

[Tman122]

Patents mean nothing. The major manufacturers are doing things different every year through research and development to improve on the designs that go back 40-50 years. BF does it different but not better.

Besides the BF rhetoric on there site showing a cheapo walmart tub with 150 bullet jets versus theirs with the least amount of jet paks and plumbing show me where a BF has 90% less plumbing than say a HS, any of them. Prove it, Yes less plumbing But not 90% I'd take that bet any day and win.

Prove that one little piece of BS from their web site.

Nothing but a sales pitch that people buy into. BS

And nothing but BF salesman pitchin their product with rhetoric and almost flat out lies just like every other manufacturer out there.

What's inside a jet pak with multiple water exits? Plumbing or magic? Not bad for a dopey tech who has never soaked in one. I have looked at them very closely though. Right, never seen one built. Neither has the guy who bought one or most business development specialists (salesman)

I said not "therapeutic"? Wow, now making things up. Oh, just like the sales pitch.

[d00nut]

Patents mean nothing. The major manufacturers are doing things different every year through research and development to improve on the designs that go back 40-50 years. BF does it different but not better.

Besides the BF rhetoric on there site showing a cheapo walmart tub with 150 bullet jets versus theirs with the least amount of jet paks and plumbing show me where a BF has 90% less plumbing than say a HS, any of them. Prove it, Yes less plumbing But not 90% I'd take that bet any day and win.

Prove that one little piece of BS from their web site.

Nothing but a sales pitch that people buy into. BS

And nothing but BF salesman pitchin their product with rhetoric and almost flat out lies just like every other manufacturer out there.

What's inside a jet pak with multiple water exits? Plumbing or magic?

In their defense, it does say "up to 90% less" with a little *   Maybe even more if I got a ThermoSpa with 250 jets!

[Tman122]

If you bought one because someone said "full power at every jet pac" or "90% less plumbing" you were lied to.

Buy because of comfort in the tub and the manufacturer/dealer/salesman. Not rhetoric or bs.

[av8r]

Patents mean nothing?  Haahahhaa.

LOL...you're replying to responses to other people's posts!  Pay attention!!!

 

Patents mean nothing.
I said not "therapeutic"? Wow, now making things up. Oh, just like the sales pitch.

[av8r]

If you bought one because someone said "full power at every jet pac" or "90% less plumbing" you were lied to.

Buy because of comfort in the tub and the manufacturer/dealer/salesman. Not rhetoric or bs.

[MarKee]

I just wonder why Bullfrog doesn't use larger jets for the lower body and feet instead of the bullet jets in the spa in question?

Those tiny jets are creating pressure like the nozzle on the end of the hose, that's why they can all run at once. You can't tell me those tiny leg and foot jets are gonna be more therapeutic.

I think the Bullfrog is a fine spa, build quality is good, but "run all the jets at once" and "90% less plumbing my stories are misleading.  I wish there was a company like Consumer Reports that would tear some spas apart and actually measure the plumbing lines.

[Jacuzzi Jim]

Good lord,  you guys are unreal     

  Tman stop being such douche if you put half as much into helping people here with spa problems than talking sales chit it would be less stressful for you.   For being some kind of "spa tech"  you really do not help that many here with tech questions, in fact I don't see any that you really help technical wise.   Not sure what you have against Bullfrog but it runs deep and obvious.   

  Markee really?     People can choose what they like, they are not being ripped off or mislead anymore than any other brand out there.  Until you have sat in one, don't judge a spa by it's cover.   And yes you can run every jet at the same time when the pumps are on.  Is it full pressure at every jet? No,  but it gives you as much as it can without a diverter if you choose to shut off a seat you can and you can turn the smaller jets or larger jets not in a pack off as well.   

 Stagnant water isn't happening.  B een running floor models with plenty of test soaks for over a year with no problems.  So peole put that one to rest.

   Hey Term nothings changed LOL! 

[Tman122]

Good lord,  you guys are unreal     

  Tman stop being a douche, if you put half as much into helping people here with spa problems than talking sales chit it would be less stressful for you.   For being some kind of "spa tech"  you really do not help that many here with tech questions, in fact I don't see any that you really help technical wise.   Not sure what you have against Bullfrog but it runs deep and obvious.   

  Markee really?     People can choose what they like, they are not being ripped off or mislead anymore than any other brand out there.  Until you have sat in one, don't judge a spa by it's cover.   And yes you can run every jet at the same time when the pumps are on.  Is it full pressure at every jet? No,  but it gives you as much as it can without a diverter if you choose to shut off a seat you can and you can turn the smaller jets or larger jets not in a pack off as well.   

 Stagnant water isn't happening.  B een running floor models with plenty of test soaks for over a year with no problems.  So peole put that one to rest.

   Hey Term nothings changed LOL!

A diverter for every jet pak and a manifold for every jet pac. Boy you BF sales guys have had a lot of koolaid.

I got nothing against BF. They make a fine tub. Not better.

And I am a plumber not a tech. I've helped thousands of people over the years with real advice and not made up, out of a sales brochure, rhetoric.

I wonder if by putting the manifolds inside the jet pac doesn't make it noisier because it's closer to you versus hidden in the cabinet surrounded by insulation? I got more. Keep it up BF salesman.

I never call anyone names and respect all posters. But when I hear complete BS I call it out. Always have and always will.

Put it in perspective. Pumps move water controlled by electronics. Heaters heat water controlled by electronics. No matter how you plumb it to meet your needs at the jets they are all the same BF INCLUDED. Change the shell and cabinet design because customers all like something different.

Please don't pass the koolaid this way.

[Jacuzzi Jim]

 So Tman what kind of manifold do you think they are using?  You thinking before the jet pak or inside and behind the pak?

[Tman122]

So Tman what kind of manifold do you think they are using?  You thinking before the jet pak or inside and behind the pak?

Well unless there's only one outlet in a jet pack then there must be some kind of water distribution system inside every pac. I held a pac but didn't really look inside up the hole to see. But I haven't had any koolaid, and am smart enough to know there must be some sort of "manifold/distribution" inside each pac. You know, one hole going in and several coming out?

Or is it patented/egine-reed majic? remember I'm just a dopey plumber.

[Racenut]

Tman, it's good to see your opinion comes from a thorough review and understanding of the design.

[av8r]

Tman, it's good to see your opinion comes from a thorough review and understanding of the design.

https://youtu.be/TcxpbhM0DaA

[Tman122]

Tman, it's good to see your opinion comes from a thorough review and understanding of the design.

OK, you give it a shot. Whats inside a jet pac?