We just purchased a Hotspring Grandee with ACE. Wet tested this tub along with a Bullfrog A8. Liked both but the family consensus was that the Grandee was liked better than the A8. The seating suited us better and the we liked the jets better too. The flexibility of the jet packs was nice but it wasn't a big enough selling point for us. We do agreed with what the majority say here and that is that they are both nice spas. It is like shoes, some just fit you better than others.