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Vortex spas My experience good bad and ugly? Please read and respond
frustrated:
I notice that no-one is actually responding to my request for help - perhaps instead of making wisecracks, the people with knowledge can make recommendations based on the options that I've got available? That would be very helpful, and I believe more in the spirit of any forum such as this.
Thanks.
wmccall:
--- Quote from: frustrated on January 28, 2015, 06:40:09 am ---I notice that no-one is actually responding to my request for help - perhaps instead of making wisecracks, the people with knowledge can make recommendations based on the options that I've got available? That would be very helpful, and I believe more in the spirit of any forum such as this.
Thanks.
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What request for help, other than the title?
Quickbeam:
--- Quote from: frustrated on January 27, 2015, 09:37:48 pm ---Tman, Jacuzzi Jim -
I feel that your posts here are quite judgmental. Did you actually read what I wrote?
(1) the Vortex product design fits my needs the best
(2) I have limited options available to me where I am
(3) local technicians who have serviced Vortex product have opined that since they use Gecko and other commonly available parts, service/repairs are straightforward
(4) I would only complete this purchase if there was enough of a discount that I can take the risk of a unreliable warranty
I am not in a super-active, super-competitive market for swim spas. Local dealers sell (but no one stocks, so you are ordering untested and unseen, just like Vortex) -
Dynasty Spa - everyone other than Dynasty Spa tells me they suck. Reviews also suggest this. Largest single cavity is 17', street price here of $25,000.
Canadian Spa Company - everyone other than Canadian Spa tells me they suck. Almost no reviews. Largest is 16', street price here of $25,000.
Master Spa - everyone other than Master Spa tells me they suck. Reviews also suggest this. Largest single cavity is 18', and the MP model is almost $40,000 street price here.
Hydropool - everyone other than Hydropool tells me they suck. 2nd best design for my needs, after Vortex. Largest single cavity is 17', street price here is almost $40,000.
Coast Spa - everyone other than Coast dealer tells me they suck. Largest single cavity is 16'.
Trevi - rebranded Dynasty, which everyone tells me sucks.
D1 - At over $40,000, in a different price league than most others. Beautiful to look at, but design isn't really what we wanted (only one spa seat). I haven't asked anyone else about them, so no one has told me they suck. But if I ask, I'm sure someone will tell me they do.
It's easy for you guys to sit back and suggest that anyone who buys Vortex is an idiot, but as I hope this illustrates, it's not a simple decision for someone who doesn't repair spas to make in a market with limited options. Also important to consider is that half the hot tub/spa dealers in town have restructured or gone bankrupt in the last 5 years, so whether you actually have your local dealer to back you up and provide support is quite questionable. This, combined with my CC's fraud policy, encouraged me to take a flyer on Vortex. And if I can get a deal on it, I will still reconsider it today.
Since you are the experts, what would you suggest as the #1, 2 and 3 choices here? Cost needs to be a consideration, as there is more than a 200% increase from the cheapest to the most expensive ones.
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I am thinking you are looking for help with your questions on the above post. Sorry that I can't help you, as I know nothing about swim spas, although I know that in terms of hot tubs, D1 has a good name. I also see they are the most expensive swim spa by quite a bit. Please also don't get down on the people on this forum. It is a great resource. I know when I was buying our first spa last year, I was totally confused and it was the people on this forum that helped me a lot.
You should also know, or maybe you do know, that there was a fellow on this forum last year who was pumping Vortex spas. I think his name was Ryan, or something like that. He was a very regular poster and a lot of his information was disputed by regular posters like Tman and Jacuzzi Jim. Well, Ryan has now disappeared and Tman and Jacuzzi Jim are still here offering real help to people.
Jacuzzi Jim:
--- Quote from: frustrated on January 27, 2015, 09:37:48 pm ---Tman, Jacuzzi Jim -
I feel that your posts here are quite judgmental. Did you actually read what I wrote?
(1) the Vortex product design fits my needs the best
(2) I have limited options available to me where I am
(3) local technicians who have serviced Vortex product have opined that since they use Gecko and other commonly available parts, service/repairs are straightforward
(4) I would only complete this purchase if there was enough of a discount that I can take the risk of a unreliable warranty
I am not in a super-active, super-competitive market for swim spas. Local dealers sell (but no one stocks, so you are ordering untested and unseen, just like Vortex) -
Dynasty Spa - everyone other than Dynasty Spa tells me they suck. Reviews also suggest this. Largest single cavity is 17', street price here of $25,000.
Canadian Spa Company - everyone other than Canadian Spa tells me they suck. Almost no reviews. Largest is 16', street price here of $25,000.
Master Spa - everyone other than Master Spa tells me they suck. Reviews also suggest this. Largest single cavity is 18', and the MP model is almost $40,000 street price here.
Hydropool - everyone other than Hydropool tells me they suck. 2nd best design for my needs, after Vortex. Largest single cavity is 17', street price here is almost $40,000.
Coast Spa - everyone other than Coast dealer tells me they suck. Largest single cavity is 16'.
Trevi - rebranded Dynasty, which everyone tells me sucks.
D1 - At over $40,000, in a different price league than most others. Beautiful to look at, but design isn't really what we wanted (only one spa seat). I haven't asked anyone else about them, so no one has told me they suck. But if I ask, I'm sure someone will tell me they do.
It's easy for you guys to sit back and suggest that anyone who buys Vortex is an idiot, but as I hope this illustrates, it's not a simple decision for someone who doesn't repair spas to make in a market with limited options. Also important to consider is that half the hot tub/spa dealers in town have restructured or gone bankrupt in the last 5 years, so whether you actually have your local dealer to back you up and provide support is quite questionable. This, combined with my CC's fraud policy, encouraged me to take a flyer on Vortex. And if I can get a deal on it, I will still reconsider it today.
Since you are the experts, what would you suggest as the #1, 2 and 3 choices here? Cost needs to be a consideration, as there is more than a 200% increase from the cheapest to the most expensive ones.
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Since you have limited options it might be worth going in a talking to one of those listed. I know you want the Vortex and it probably would work fine. Problem is again they can't get it to you, I have my doubts it is where they actually say it is and the fact they won't even send you a reply is pretty shady. Honestly I would get the money back and see what other option might work.
frustrated:
--- Quote from: Jacuzzi Jim on January 28, 2015, 05:21:30 pm ---
Since you have limited options it might be worth going in a talking to one of those listed. I know you want the Vortex and it probably would work fine. Problem is again they can't get it to you, I have my doubts it is where they actually say it is and the fact they won't even send you a reply is pretty shady. Honestly I would get the money back and see what other option might work.
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Hi Jim, thanks for your response. I, too, doubt that the Vortex route will work out, for the same reasons. I just haven't completely shut the door to a negotiated arrangement, if there is a spa built for me to begin with, which I doubt is the case. And I do already have my money back.
But among the options that I've listed, would you suggest a #1, 2, and 3 choice price considered?
The best "deals" seem to be on Canadian Spa and the Dynasty product.
Canadian Spa I would either need to deal with Home Depot, or from the manufacturer direct in Toronto (so again, long distance).
Dynasty I can buy from local "dealers". Is Dynasty complete crap? Are they poorly designed, poorly built, use poor components? What are the typical issues?
Thanks
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