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Tman how do you figure these, i know you are a repair tech. i not starting a argument here specially on the thermal chamber full foam roxul insulation, But i deal with all three styles, we are in a cold climate in Eastern Washington as well.. But on the list, Arctic above H20, and Clearwater below Arctic, Both Clearwater and Arctic are built with very similiar styles as in open chamber, I would put them at the same for efficiency with the main pumps running the filter cycle, But when you ad the 24/7 circ pump on the Signature ceries of the Clearwater, having a low amp pump running and putting in heat of that circ pump running in the cold weather we see holds the heat in the chamber better than the spa coming on every 12 hours for 2 and then kicking on for heat from heat being sucked out of the chamber.... This is what we see out in the field even our outdoor showroom.....Hot Springs makes a great spa and efficiecnt, H20 with the Roxul insulation which does have a better r-value than full foam, but also with the 24/7 circ pump but also having the ability to pull the batting out easier if there is a leak, again this is what we see out in the field. May not be the case for every location, But in our climate this is what we see..
Tman, Just like the Hot Springs, the H20 and the Clearwater also use the low amp 24/7 circ pump as well...I like the 24/7 circ pump,,,,,
Quote from: ejf The Spa Guy on July 22, 2011, 01:24:44 pmTman how do you figure these, i know you are a repair tech. i not starting a argument here specially on the thermal chamber full foam roxul insulation, But i deal with all three styles, we are in a cold climate in Eastern Washington as well.. But on the list, Arctic above H20, and Clearwater below Arctic, Both Clearwater and Arctic are built with very similiar styles as in open chamber, I would put them at the same for efficiency with the main pumps running the filter cycle, But when you ad the 24/7 circ pump on the Signature ceries of the Clearwater, having a low amp pump running and putting in heat of that circ pump running in the cold weather we see holds the heat in the chamber better than the spa coming on every 12 hours for 2 and then kicking on for heat from heat being sucked out of the chamber.... This is what we see out in the field even our outdoor showroom.....Hot Springs makes a great spa and efficiecnt, H20 with the Roxul insulation which does have a better r-value than full foam, but also with the 24/7 circ pump but also having the ability to pull the batting out easier if there is a leak, again this is what we see out in the field. May not be the case for every location, But in our climate this is what we see..Your right, I may have been premature with the Arctic over H2O or Clearwater as there aren't that many around and I may not have a good feel yet. But up here in Northern Minnesota when the winter gets 20 below in Mid Jan and stays that way for weeks at a time. Most times there is not a lot of spa use and your tub sits idle. The HS sitting there with that little mag drive pump running use as much power as a light bulb, they are so quiet you can't hear them running, The heater kicks on once in a while like any other tub but less, there foaming method seems to hold the heat in the vessel very very well and is tough to beat. Almost all here are sold with a winter kit which keeps the equipment area nice and toasty. I don't think it will ever be beat by a perimeter style in effeciency. No matter what any test results are skewed to say. But as you said ease of repair is also sellable.
nice to see another MN guy here
Quote from: TwinCitiesHotSpring on July 23, 2011, 04:44:22 pmnice to see another MN guy here Do you know where Sturgeon Lake is? About 120 miles north of downtown MPLS/St Paul just off I35? 45 miles south of Duluth.
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