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I live in a small-ish town in southwest Louisiana, and we have only one hot tub dealer in town. They carry Hot Springs, Hot Spot, and Caldera, one or two of each on the floor, and only 2 very small 110V tubs are filled with water. They told me several months ago that I can't wet test any tub that requires 220V, because their store is not wired for that. So I actually did some wet tests in another town where I was visiting last Christmas. (at that time, we decided we liked the Envoy, but honestly I don't even remember what other ones we tried).I've been looking for months, and I really want to buy in the near future, maybe a HS Envoy (pr possibly Vista or Sovereign). I again visited the local dealer last weekend, and it just seems like they just "happen to sell" hot tubs. No one there is an expert. Every time I asked a question, she would flip through the brochure and read off a simple answer based on the printed info.Is there any reason that it's best to buy from my local dealer, or is there anyone here in southwest LA or southeast TX who would like to earn my business? By "earn my business," I mean give me answers and guidance, and the ability to wet test. I feel like I'm stuck in "analysis paralysis" mode, because I don't want to spend this big chunk of money on a hot tub, then realize we're not happy with our choice.One of my biggest uncertainties is whether I want a lounger. Husband says he really liked the lounger when we wet-tested, but I honestly don't remember if I did, since that was several months ago. I do know I love the moto-massage (because I used to own a Vanguard). So if I float out of the lounger (likely), and have to use other seats most of the time, then I won't really get to enjoy the moto-massage. My local dealer was of no help in advising me on this aspect (she just said, "Oh most people don't have any problem 'floating' up out of the lounger," which I don't believe at all.)Anyone willing and able to help???
If in doubt or not able to wet test skip the lounge would be my first bit of advice. I might not be too worried is the sales person is not an authority as it appears but I sure want to know if the store manager/owner knows whats going on and certainly the service tech(s). Ask if how long they've carried this brand, ask if they service their own spas and maybe ask how long their service guy has worked there.One of this sites long time pros and biggest contributors is a guy in East Texas who knows a thing or two about hot tubs and taking care of customers. We haven't seen good ole "Terminator" here lately but maybe he could help you. I have no idea if the distance is an issue but you could always try to contact him. If you contact him tell him this site sent you over and that we need him to post some pictures of his latest adventures.http://www.ilovemyspa.com/locations.php
I would be more than happy to sell you a tub - from here in So Cal.But, I would be responsible to do any warranty work - or arrange to have it done by a local repair person.If push comes to shove, buy it from Terminator's outfit, and ask them to waive the drive fee on the first service call, if you have one. (There are rarely one, much less two). You may get a good deal, and I know you will get great service from those guys. Tell 'em Chas said so!
QuoteHere is a few things to keep in mind:...first off Watkins does not "own" any of the dealers...they are independently owned, Watkins doesn't pay light bills, phone bills, internet bills, power bills, or the wages of the employees of these dealers so there is nothing they can really do if your local dealer leases/buys a building that does not have 220v capability. I would think they most certainly could make that a requirement to anyone who wants to set up a dealership. Seems like a no-brainer to me, since the mantra of everyone on various hot tub forums is "wet test! wet test!"QuoteOf course they want all there dealers to have all the company signage, banners, plenty of tubs filled and ready to test but they cannot "force" that on dealers, its not in the contract. I also do believe its completely foolish to not have 220v models ready to test, I have 6 models right now ready to use and its a huge advantage over the guys down the street who have 1 $12,000 unit only to test, made many sales this way so I'm def. on your side here...Thanks for your understanding, and for lengthy response. Much appreciated! Quoteyou called them direct to complain...fine, absolutely nothing wrong with calling a manufacturer to let them know your frustrated, but what exactly is a lady behind a desk in Vista California supposed to do for you in Louisiana? My call wasn't really to complain so much as it was to get some guidance. I was getting tired of spending so much time making phone calls to numerous dealers (and to even get a phone number for a dealer, first I have to google a zip code for each town I want to call, to input on the Hot Spring website, so it will take me to a dealer in that town; otherwise it always takes me to my own town's dealer.) Some of the out of town dealers were willing to let me come try their tubs, others pretty much told me I should shop at the local place, because of territory restrictions. (Although some responses here make it sound like that is not a hard and fast rule with Watkins, so I'm just floored that stores turn away business from someone who clearly wants to buy one of their big-ticket items!)QuoteLastly, you may think they don't care about customers but your very very far from the truth, I've had 10k+ hottubs completely replaced free of charge for warped skimmer lid frames...I've had tubs replaced for light issues that could have been repaired on-site but would have been very labor intensive, covers replaced that were a few months out of warranty, covers replaced that were damaged due to user error and still got replaced...and the list goes on and on, and yes I do have a frame of reference vs. the competition because I've worked for a Cal Spas/D1/Jacuzzi dealer...if I would have recommended a complete spa replacement for a warped skimmer frame through Cal Spas they would have literally laughed at me.That does make me feel better. From everything I've read and heard, plus owning a HS Vanguard in the past, I had always thought of Watkins as reputable. So the difficulties I'm having in my current shopping experience had left me frustrated to say the least. I do want to end up with a quality tub from a company that will stand behind it.Thanks again for your response!
Here is a few things to keep in mind:...first off Watkins does not "own" any of the dealers...they are independently owned, Watkins doesn't pay light bills, phone bills, internet bills, power bills, or the wages of the employees of these dealers so there is nothing they can really do if your local dealer leases/buys a building that does not have 220v capability.
Of course they want all there dealers to have all the company signage, banners, plenty of tubs filled and ready to test but they cannot "force" that on dealers, its not in the contract. I also do believe its completely foolish to not have 220v models ready to test, I have 6 models right now ready to use and its a huge advantage over the guys down the street who have 1 $12,000 unit only to test, made many sales this way so I'm def. on your side here...
you called them direct to complain...fine, absolutely nothing wrong with calling a manufacturer to let them know your frustrated, but what exactly is a lady behind a desk in Vista California supposed to do for you in Louisiana?
Lastly, you may think they don't care about customers but your very very far from the truth, I've had 10k+ hottubs completely replaced free of charge for warped skimmer lid frames...I've had tubs replaced for light issues that could have been repaired on-site but would have been very labor intensive, covers replaced that were a few months out of warranty, covers replaced that were damaged due to user error and still got replaced...and the list goes on and on, and yes I do have a frame of reference vs. the competition because I've worked for a Cal Spas/D1/Jacuzzi dealer...if I would have recommended a complete spa replacement for a warped skimmer frame through Cal Spas they would have literally laughed at me.
Quote from: Chas on May 24, 2013, 01:49:34 amI would be more than happy to sell you a tub - from here in So Cal.But, I would be responsible to do any warranty work - or arrange to have it done by a local repair person.If push comes to shove, buy it from Terminator's outfit, and ask them to waive the drive fee on the first service call, if you have one. (There are rarely one, much less two). You may get a good deal, and I know you will get great service from those guys. Tell 'em Chas said so! Am I understanding correctly, any needed/covered work during the entire warranty period would have to come from the dealer at which I purchased the tub? (Not like my Camry that I can take to any Toyota dealer).
Quote from: kayanne on May 24, 2013, 12:13:57 pmQuote from: Chas on May 24, 2013, 01:49:34 amI would be more than happy to sell you a tub - from here in So Cal.But, I would be responsible to do any warranty work - or arrange to have it done by a local repair person.If push comes to shove, buy it from Terminator's outfit, and ask them to waive the drive fee on the first service call, if you have one. (There are rarely one, much less two). You may get a good deal, and I know you will get great service from those guys. Tell 'em Chas said so! Am I understanding correctly, any needed/covered work during the entire warranty period would have to come from the dealer at which I purchased the tub? (Not like my Camry that I can take to any Toyota dealer).If you take your spa into the dealer for service, I'd be willing to wager most would accommodate you :-)
But as I mentioned, I drive a Toyota Camry, and you know how those are on trunk space.
Quote from: kayanne on May 24, 2013, 02:42:53 pmBut as I mentioned, I drive a Toyota Camry, and you know how those are on trunk space. So funny! You definitely deserve to have a HotSpring Portable Spa. Please go visit Terminator - you and he will get along JUST fine, and they have lots of tubs ready to wet test. Make a day of it, you won't be sorry.HTH