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I did a little research on my own. I found the laws for the hot tub in my area "All switching devices must be located at least 5 feet from INSIDE WALLS of hot tub or separated by a solid fence or wall". (NEC 680.22 (D)). GFI outlet 5'4" Box behind tub 5"0" all measurements to the closest inside point of the tub. Now WE can all sleep better. Dr. Spa thank you for making me aware of what you saw and could have been a problem. I honestly do feel better that everything is where it should be. I do have a question. Why in my kitchen do I have 5 GFI outlets within 5 feet to my sink? Why does the GFI outlet by the hot tub need to be 5' away from the tub?
I do have a question. Why in my kitchen do I have 5 GFI outlets within 5 feet to my sink? Why does the GFI outlet by the hot tub need to be 5' away from the tub?
Quote from: bimmerdog on February 18, 2013, 10:11:31 amI did a little research on my own. I found the laws for the hot tub in my area "All switching devices must be located at least 5 feet from INSIDE WALLS of hot tub or separated by a solid fence or wall". (NEC 680.22 (D)). GFI outlet 5'4" Box behind tub 5"0" all measurements to the closest inside point of the tub. Now WE can all sleep better. Dr. Spa thank you for making me aware of what you saw and could have been a problem. I honestly do feel better that everything is where it should be. I do have a question. Why in my kitchen do I have 5 GFI outlets within 5 feet to my sink? Why does the GFI outlet by the hot tub need to be 5' away from the tub?"To bad you have no idea what you are talking about.""and again if you would ask before making a stupid statement"I'm pretty sure you didn't hurt his feelings but the next time someone (in this case a long time professional in the industry) tells you something that differs from the facts as you know them, you might want to temporarily censor your rude thoughts and do the research to determeine whether he could possibly have a point before you slam him as being stupid. A general apology in your follow-up would have at least been nice but it wouldn't have followed the pattern.
Quote from: Spatech_tuo on February 18, 2013, 10:59:16 amQuote from: bimmerdog on February 18, 2013, 10:11:31 amI did a little research on my own. I found the laws for the hot tub in my area "All switching devices must be located at least 5 feet from INSIDE WALLS of hot tub or separated by a solid fence or wall". (NEC 680.22 (D)). GFI outlet 5'4" Box behind tub 5"0" all measurements to the closest inside point of the tub. Now WE can all sleep better. Dr. Spa thank you for making me aware of what you saw and could have been a problem. I honestly do feel better that everything is where it should be. I do have a question. Why in my kitchen do I have 5 GFI outlets within 5 feet to my sink? Why does the GFI outlet by the hot tub need to be 5' away from the tub?"To bad you have no idea what you are talking about.""and again if you would ask before making a stupid statement"I'm pretty sure you didn't hurt his feelings but the next time someone (in this case a long time professional in the industry) tells you something that differs from the facts as you know them, you might want to temporarily censor your rude thoughts and do the research to determeine whether he could possibly have a point before you slam him as being stupid. A general apology in your follow-up would have at least been nice but it wouldn't have followed the pattern.You are 100% right in what you say. The reason I said what i said was the way he said it "has any one noticed" It should have been "Bimmerdog I think the outlets might be to close. You might want to check them" I would have said "thank you for your concern and I will look into it". When some one post a picture and you see something that you think is wrong, you let the person who posted the picture know your concerns. You speak to the person. If Dr Spa feels he did do that I do apologize for my response to him. But in my eyes he was not talking to me but talking to the forum. If I came back and said "screw you your wrong" Then you bring in others to get their opinions. It was to me the way Dr. Spa wrote his post. He is totally correct but again this is the Internet. I look at it this way. If IM at Dr Spas house and I see some thing wrong I don't run out into the street and yell for every one to hear about what I think is his problem. I did learn from Dr Spa comments. I did go and find the code. I did measure for myself. I did find the City Inspector was spot on to the codes. So bottom line we can all be happy.
Quote from: bimmerdog on February 18, 2013, 12:10:17 pmQuote from: Spatech_tuo on February 18, 2013, 10:59:16 amQuote from: bimmerdog on February 18, 2013, 10:11:31 amI did a little research on my own. I found the laws for the hot tub in my area "All switching devices must be located at least 5 feet from INSIDE WALLS of hot tub or separated by a solid fence or wall". (NEC 680.22 (D)). GFI outlet 5'4" Box behind tub 5"0" all measurements to the closest inside point of the tub. Now WE can all sleep better. Dr. Spa thank you for making me aware of what you saw and could have been a problem. I honestly do feel better that everything is where it should be. I do have a question. Why in my kitchen do I have 5 GFI outlets within 5 feet to my sink? Why does the GFI outlet by the hot tub need to be 5' away from the tub?"To bad you have no idea what you are talking about.""and again if you would ask before making a stupid statement"I'm pretty sure you didn't hurt his feelings but the next time someone (in this case a long time professional in the industry) tells you something that differs from the facts as you know them, you might want to temporarily censor your rude thoughts and do the research to determeine whether he could possibly have a point before you slam him as being stupid. A general apology in your follow-up would have at least been nice but it wouldn't have followed the pattern.You are 100% right in what you say. The reason I said what i said was the way he said it "has any one noticed" It should have been "Bimmerdog I think the outlets might be to close. You might want to check them" I would have said "thank you for your concern and I will look into it". When some one post a picture and you see something that you think is wrong, you let the person who posted the picture know your concerns. You speak to the person. If Dr Spa feels he did do that I do apologize for my response to him. But in my eyes he was not talking to me but talking to the forum. If I came back and said "screw you your wrong" Then you bring in others to get their opinions. It was to me the way Dr. Spa wrote his post. He is totally correct but again this is the Internet. I look at it this way. If IM at Dr Spas house and I see some thing wrong I don't run out into the street and yell for every one to hear about what I think is his problem. I did learn from Dr Spa comments. I did go and find the code. I did measure for myself. I did find the City Inspector was spot on to the codes. So bottom line we can all be happy.Even if you didn't appreciate his approach, you should have done your homework before calling him out as wrong and stupid. This is an Internet forum, please don't expect everyone to follow your personal rules of etiquette. IMHO, a simple "my bad" would go a lot further than your explanation as to how your inappropriate response was driven by the manner in which he formed his statements.
HEY....... it doesn't matter. I type slow and hate to type...so I tend to be short...sometimes seems rude. no big deal. Lets move on :-)
Quote from: Spatech_tuo on February 18, 2013, 01:39:52 pmQuote from: bimmerdog on February 18, 2013, 12:10:17 pmQuote from: Spatech_tuo on February 18, 2013, 10:59:16 amQuote from: bimmerdog on February 18, 2013, 10:11:31 amI did a little research on my own. I found the laws for the hot tub in my area "All switching devices must be located at least 5 feet from INSIDE WALLS of hot tub or separated by a solid fence or wall". (NEC 680.22 (D)). GFI outlet 5'4" Box behind tub 5"0" all measurements to the closest inside point of the tub. Now WE can all sleep better. Dr. Spa thank you for making me aware of what you saw and could have been a problem. I honestly do feel better that everything is where it should be. I do have a question. Why in my kitchen do I have 5 GFI outlets within 5 feet to my sink? Why does the GFI outlet by the hot tub need to be 5' away from the tub?"To bad you have no idea what you are talking about.""and again if you would ask before making a stupid statement"I'm pretty sure you didn't hurt his feelings but the next time someone (in this case a long time professional in the industry) tells you something that differs from the facts as you know them, you might want to temporarily censor your rude thoughts and do the research to determeine whether he could possibly have a point before you slam him as being stupid. A general apology in your follow-up would have at least been nice but it wouldn't have followed the pattern.You are 100% right in what you say. The reason I said what i said was the way he said it "has any one noticed" It should have been "Bimmerdog I think the outlets might be to close. You might want to check them" I would have said "thank you for your concern and I will look into it". When some one post a picture and you see something that you think is wrong, you let the person who posted the picture know your concerns. You speak to the person. If Dr Spa feels he did do that I do apologize for my response to him. But in my eyes he was not talking to me but talking to the forum. If I came back and said "screw you your wrong" Then you bring in others to get their opinions. It was to me the way Dr. Spa wrote his post. He is totally correct but again this is the Internet. I look at it this way. If IM at Dr Spas house and I see some thing wrong I don't run out into the street and yell for every one to hear about what I think is his problem. I did learn from Dr Spa comments. I did go and find the code. I did measure for myself. I did find the City Inspector was spot on to the codes. So bottom line we can all be happy.Even if you didn't appreciate his approach, you should have done your homework before calling him out as wrong and stupid. This is an Internet forum, please don't expect everyone to follow your personal rules of etiquette. IMHO, a simple "my bad" would go a lot further than your explanation as to how your inappropriate response was driven by the manner in which he formed his statements.Well I can see my last post JUST WASN"T GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU. Maybe if more people had the guts to stand up when some one cross a line on the Internet or in real life then we might see people treating people with more respect and think before they talk or type. It's so easy to hide behind a screen and be anything you want. If I see some thing I don't like I will speak up. If I make a mistake I will be the first to say "MY BAD" which is the stupidest fifth grade thing a person can say. But that is the way we have become. Again if you forgot what I said all I was mad about was the way he was not talking to me (the person with the problem) but to every one else. Did I come across pissed....yes because I was. Did I apologize...yes I did if I miss read his post.. Or in your way....MY BAD. And lastly I didn't call him stupid for his information. I called him stupid for the way he put it out there. You have a problem with that...to bad. I was excited to get a new tub and was excited to show it on here. A private msg from Dr. Spa would have worked fine to ask me about the connections. If you think I'm an ass or rude or anything else you want to add, that is fine. We can all have our opinion. I will bend over backwards to help anyone if I can. I will never try and be rude. Looking back on my first post to Dr Spa I could of handled it better and to Dr Spa a 12 pack is on it's way to you. My way of saying "MY BAD".
Quote from: bimmerdog on February 18, 2013, 03:21:41 pmQuote from: Spatech_tuo on February 18, 2013, 01:39:52 pmQuote from: bimmerdog on February 18, 2013, 12:10:17 pmQuote from: Spatech_tuo on February 18, 2013, 10:59:16 amQuote from: bimmerdog on February 18, 2013, 10:11:31 amI did a little research on my own. I found the laws for the hot tub in my area "All switching devices must be located at least 5 feet from INSIDE WALLS of hot tub or separated by a solid fence or wall". (NEC 680.22 (D)). GFI outlet 5'4" Box behind tub 5"0" all measurements to the closest inside point of the tub. Now WE can all sleep better. Dr. Spa thank you for making me aware of what you saw and could have been a problem. I honestly do feel better that everything is where it should be. I do have a question. Why in my kitchen do I have 5 GFI outlets within 5 feet to my sink? Why does the GFI outlet by the hot tub need to be 5' away from the tub?"To bad you have no idea what you are talking about.""and again if you would ask before making a stupid statement"I'm pretty sure you didn't hurt his feelings but the next time someone (in this case a long time professional in the industry) tells you something that differs from the facts as you know them, you might want to temporarily censor your rude thoughts and do the research to determeine whether he could possibly have a point before you slam him as being stupid. A general apology in your follow-up would have at least been nice but it wouldn't have followed the pattern.You are 100% right in what you say. The reason I said what i said was the way he said it "has any one noticed" It should have been "Bimmerdog I think the outlets might be to close. You might want to check them" I would have said "thank you for your concern and I will look into it". When some one post a picture and you see something that you think is wrong, you let the person who posted the picture know your concerns. You speak to the person. If Dr Spa feels he did do that I do apologize for my response to him. But in my eyes he was not talking to me but talking to the forum. If I came back and said "screw you your wrong" Then you bring in others to get their opinions. It was to me the way Dr. Spa wrote his post. He is totally correct but again this is the Internet. I look at it this way. If IM at Dr Spas house and I see some thing wrong I don't run out into the street and yell for every one to hear about what I think is his problem. I did learn from Dr Spa comments. I did go and find the code. I did measure for myself. I did find the City Inspector was spot on to the codes. So bottom line we can all be happy.Even if you didn't appreciate his approach, you should have done your homework before calling him out as wrong and stupid. This is an Internet forum, please don't expect everyone to follow your personal rules of etiquette. IMHO, a simple "my bad" would go a lot further than your explanation as to how your inappropriate response was driven by the manner in which he formed his statements.Well I can see my last post JUST WASN"T GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU. Maybe if more people had the guts to stand up when some one cross a line on the Internet or in real life then we might see people treating people with more respect and think before they talk or type. It's so easy to hide behind a screen and be anything you want. If I see some thing I don't like I will speak up. If I make a mistake I will be the first to say "MY BAD" which is the stupidest fifth grade thing a person can say. But that is the way we have become. Again if you forgot what I said all I was mad about was the way he was not talking to me (the person with the problem) but to every one else. Did I come across pissed....yes because I was. Did I apologize...yes I did if I miss read his post.. Or in your way....MY BAD. And lastly I didn't call him stupid for his information. I called him stupid for the way he put it out there. You have a problem with that...to bad. I was excited to get a new tub and was excited to show it on here. A private msg from Dr. Spa would have worked fine to ask me about the connections. If you think I'm an ass or rude or anything else you want to add, that is fine. We can all have our opinion. I will bend over backwards to help anyone if I can. I will never try and be rude. Looking back on my first post to Dr Spa I could of handled it better and to Dr Spa a 12 pack is on it's way to you. My way of saying "MY BAD".Thats exactly why I called you out, I'm glad you understand.
Quote from: Spatech_tuo on February 18, 2013, 04:35:14 pmQuote from: bimmerdog on February 18, 2013, 03:21:41 pmQuote from: Spatech_tuo on February 18, 2013, 01:39:52 pmQuote from: bimmerdog on February 18, 2013, 12:10:17 pmQuote from: Spatech_tuo on February 18, 2013, 10:59:16 amQuote from: bimmerdog on February 18, 2013, 10:11:31 amI did a little research on my own. I found the laws for the hot tub in my area "All switching devices must be located at least 5 feet from INSIDE WALLS of hot tub or separated by a solid fence or wall". (NEC 680.22 (D)). GFI outlet 5'4" Box behind tub 5"0" all measurements to the closest inside point of the tub. Now WE can all sleep better. Dr. Spa thank you for making me aware of what you saw and could have been a problem. I honestly do feel better that everything is where it should be. I do have a question. Why in my kitchen do I have 5 GFI outlets within 5 feet to my sink? Why does the GFI outlet by the hot tub need to be 5' away from the tub?"To bad you have no idea what you are talking about.""and again if you would ask before making a stupid statement"I'm pretty sure you didn't hurt his feelings but the next time someone (in this case a long time professional in the industry) tells you something that differs from the facts as you know them, you might want to temporarily censor your rude thoughts and do the research to determeine whether he could possibly have a point before you slam him as being stupid. A general apology in your follow-up would have at least been nice but it wouldn't have followed the pattern.You are 100% right in what you say. The reason I said what i said was the way he said it "has any one noticed" It should have been "Bimmerdog I think the outlets might be to close. You might want to check them" I would have said "thank you for your concern and I will look into it". When some one post a picture and you see something that you think is wrong, you let the person who posted the picture know your concerns. You speak to the person. If Dr Spa feels he did do that I do apologize for my response to him. But in my eyes he was not talking to me but talking to the forum. If I came back and said "screw you your wrong" Then you bring in others to get their opinions. It was to me the way Dr. Spa wrote his post. He is totally correct but again this is the Internet. I look at it this way. If IM at Dr Spas house and I see some thing wrong I don't run out into the street and yell for every one to hear about what I think is his problem. I did learn from Dr Spa comments. I did go and find the code. I did measure for myself. I did find the City Inspector was spot on to the codes. So bottom line we can all be happy.Even if you didn't appreciate his approach, you should have done your homework before calling him out as wrong and stupid. This is an Internet forum, please don't expect everyone to follow your personal rules of etiquette. IMHO, a simple "my bad" would go a lot further than your explanation as to how your inappropriate response was driven by the manner in which he formed his statements.Well I can see my last post JUST WASN"T GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU. Maybe if more people had the guts to stand up when some one cross a line on the Internet or in real life then we might see people treating people with more respect and think before they talk or type. It's so easy to hide behind a screen and be anything you want. If I see some thing I don't like I will speak up. If I make a mistake I will be the first to say "MY BAD" which is the stupidest fifth grade thing a person can say. But that is the way we have become. Again if you forgot what I said all I was mad about was the way he was not talking to me (the person with the problem) but to every one else. Did I come across pissed....yes because I was. Did I apologize...yes I did if I miss read his post.. Or in your way....MY BAD. And lastly I didn't call him stupid for his information. I called him stupid for the way he put it out there. You have a problem with that...to bad. I was excited to get a new tub and was excited to show it on here. A private msg from Dr. Spa would have worked fine to ask me about the connections. If you think I'm an ass or rude or anything else you want to add, that is fine. We can all have our opinion. I will bend over backwards to help anyone if I can. I will never try and be rude. Looking back on my first post to Dr Spa I could of handled it better and to Dr Spa a 12 pack is on it's way to you. My way of saying "MY BAD".Thats exactly why I called you out, I'm glad you understand.spatech_two if you feel better having the last word then you win.....enjoy the victory