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Quote from: Spatech_tuo on February 11, 2013, 11:11:56 amQuote from: bimmerdog on February 10, 2013, 08:47:05 pmDo you not think Arctic Spas has not done some thing like this with their heat system or Sundance with their filter system. You're a new spa buyer and no one talked about the Arctic testing lately yet you knew of this? You ether have used Google a lot or you're not really a new consumer. Either way, no one here is interested in any talk of independent testing unless it is done independent of the manufacturer. If its commissioned by the manufacturer it will be scoffed at."No one has talked about Arctic testing lately" OMG are you serious. I went on their website and read it all by myself. It is their big selling point. Just as all hot tub companies have their own big selling points. Arctic Spas = better heating system. Why because they say so. Hot Springs = no bypass and 5 filters make the water cleaner. Why because they say soSundance = Filter in a filter cleans the water better. Why because they say so.All this information is on their websites not made up by me.Sorry for not being a SHEEP and believing every thing that a salesman tells me or what "some guys" say on the Internet. I do a lot of research on ANYTHING I buy that cost a lot of money. A hot tub falls into this category. If some one says their product is leaps and bounds ahead of the competition and do nothing but talk shit about the competition they better have some proof of what they are saying. I play and work for a golf company that I think is the best in the world. When I am out doing a demo and a customer comes to me and asked why my clubs are better then the other guy I never say anything bad or degrading about the competitors equipment. I tell the customer why ours is good for them. How it will help their game. Then here is the big part, I let the consumer make the final decision with out feeding him a bunch of BS that might even be true but if my product is as good as I think it will sell itself when the customer tries it. If the salesman would have had the same approach when I was looking at the Hot Springs I would be having the Grandee in my backyard.So sells people on here sell "your product" not bash every ones else. Not all consumers have a fifth grade education and should not be talked down to. If your product is better in your mind then the other guys please tell me about it. As soon as you cross the line and say yours is better then his you better have proof. That is all I was after with this thread. Proof.
Quote from: bimmerdog on February 10, 2013, 08:47:05 pmDo you not think Arctic Spas has not done some thing like this with their heat system or Sundance with their filter system. You're a new spa buyer and no one talked about the Arctic testing lately yet you knew of this? You ether have used Google a lot or you're not really a new consumer. Either way, no one here is interested in any talk of independent testing unless it is done independent of the manufacturer. If its commissioned by the manufacturer it will be scoffed at.
Do you not think Arctic Spas has not done some thing like this with their heat system or Sundance with their filter system.
"No one has talked about Arctic testing lately" OMG are you serious. I went on their website and read it all by myself. It is their big selling point. Just as all hot tub companies have their own big selling points. Arctic Spas = better heating system. Why because they say so. Hot Springs = no bypass and 5 filters make the water cleaner. Why because they say soSundance = Filter in a filter cleans the water better. Why because they say so.All this information is on their websites not made up by me.Sorry for not being a SHEEP and believing every thing that a salesman tells me or what "some guys" say on the Internet. I do a lot of research on ANYTHING I buy that cost a lot of money. A hot tub falls into this category. If some one says their product is leaps and bounds ahead of the competition and do nothing but talk shit about the competition they better have some proof of what they are saying. I play and work for a golf company that I think is the best in the world. When I am out doing a demo and a customer comes to me and asked why my clubs are better then the other guy I never say anything bad or degrading about the competitors equipment. I tell the customer why ours is good for them. How it will help their game. Then here is the big part, I let the consumer make the final decision with out feeding him a bunch of BS that might even be true but if my product is as good as I think it will sell itself when the customer tries it. If the salesman would have had the same approach when I was looking at the Hot Springs I would be having the Grandee in my backyard.So sells people on here sell "your product" not bash every ones else. Not all consumers have a fifth grade education and should not be talked down to. If your product is better in your mind then the other guys please tell me about it. As soon as you cross the line and say yours is better then his you better have proof. That is all I was after with this thread. Proof.
Quote from: bimmerdog on February 11, 2013, 01:23:19 pm"No one has talked about Arctic testing lately" OMG are you serious. I went on their website and read it all by myself. It is their big selling point. Just as all hot tub companies have their own big selling points. Arctic Spas = better heating system. Why because they say so. Hot Springs = no bypass and 5 filters make the water cleaner. Why because they say soSundance = Filter in a filter cleans the water better. Why because they say so.All this information is on their websites not made up by me.Sorry for not being a SHEEP and believing every thing that a salesman tells me or what "some guys" say on the Internet. I do a lot of research on ANYTHING I buy that cost a lot of money. A hot tub falls into this category. If some one says their product is leaps and bounds ahead of the competition and do nothing but talk shit about the competition they better have some proof of what they are saying. I play and work for a golf company that I think is the best in the world. When I am out doing a demo and a customer comes to me and asked why my clubs are better then the other guy I never say anything bad or degrading about the competitors equipment. I tell the customer why ours is good for them. How it will help their game. Then here is the big part, I let the consumer make the final decision with out feeding him a bunch of BS that might even be true but if my product is as good as I think it will sell itself when the customer tries it. If the salesman would have had the same approach when I was looking at the Hot Springs I would be having the Grandee in my backyard.So sells people on here sell "your product" not bash every ones else. Not all consumers have a fifth grade education and should not be talked down to. If your product is better in your mind then the other guys please tell me about it. As soon as you cross the line and say yours is better then his you better have proof. That is all I was after with this thread. Proof. Must not of read the Arctic "Independent Testing" to closely. The Hot Springs came out more efficient even with a thinner cover. Which by the way is the most important thing in maintaining water temp.
Quote from: Tman122 on February 11, 2013, 04:10:59 pmQuote from: bimmerdog on February 11, 2013, 01:23:19 pm"No one has talked about Arctic testing lately" OMG are you serious. I went on their website and read it all by myself. It is their big selling point. Just as all hot tub companies have their own big selling points. Arctic Spas = better heating system. Why because they say so. Hot Springs = no bypass and 5 filters make the water cleaner. Why because they say soSundance = Filter in a filter cleans the water better. Why because they say so.All this information is on their websites not made up by me.Sorry for not being a SHEEP and believing every thing that a salesman tells me or what "some guys" say on the Internet. I do a lot of research on ANYTHING I buy that cost a lot of money. A hot tub falls into this category. If some one says their product is leaps and bounds ahead of the competition and do nothing but talk shit about the competition they better have some proof of what they are saying. I play and work for a golf company that I think is the best in the world. When I am out doing a demo and a customer comes to me and asked why my clubs are better then the other guy I never say anything bad or degrading about the competitors equipment. I tell the customer why ours is good for them. How it will help their game. Then here is the big part, I let the consumer make the final decision with out feeding him a bunch of BS that might even be true but if my product is as good as I think it will sell itself when the customer tries it. If the salesman would have had the same approach when I was looking at the Hot Springs I would be having the Grandee in my backyard.So sells people on here sell "your product" not bash every ones else. Not all consumers have a fifth grade education and should not be talked down to. If your product is better in your mind then the other guys please tell me about it. As soon as you cross the line and say yours is better then his you better have proof. That is all I was after with this thread. Proof. Must not of read the Arctic "Independent Testing" to closely. The Hot Springs came out more efficient even with a thinner cover. Which by the way is the most important thing in maintaining water temp.I have to say, I guess we should all keep better records of "cost of ownership" of spas. It just seems ridiculous to me that we're all fine dropping four (sometimes five) figures on a luxury item (not including landscaping, or deck work, accessories, god knows what else) and then we obsess and brag about efficiency when it likely adds a few bucks per year to the actual cost. Its a sunk cost, you've dropped your cash, its in the backyard. Just relax and enjoy it.
If a customer asked me to prove that our system was better, I would have to just say "I can tell you why I think it is better but it will be up to you to take what I have giving you and decide for yourself" That is where IM different. I will never tell some one that mines better then theirs if I can't prove it with something more then "my boss told me" or "I have seen it with my own eyes"
Quote from: bimmerdog on February 11, 2013, 05:35:53 pmIf a customer asked me to prove that our system was better, I would have to just say "I can tell you why I think it is better but it will be up to you to take what I have giving you and decide for yourself" That is where IM different. I will never tell some one that mines better then theirs if I can't prove it with something more then "my boss told me" or "I have seen it with my own eyes" You may be different from the dealer you shopped at but you are not different from most of the people on this site and many dealers out there I’ve seen. I've worked with/for a few dealers. I've also sold spas at times in the past as a sideline. I almost never heard the salespeople at those places talk about the competition unless asked specifically and then it was never a smear campaign that I remember. I don't doubt you ran into someone who sold in a negative manner but you have to get over it, it happens and not just at spa dealerships but cars, boats etc. Good for you that you found a different dealer you were happy with but please don't assume most in the industry are like that dealer.
OK I guess I will never get a true answer so I need to come up with another question to get people all excited and thinking. See what happens when there is snow on the ground and I can't play golf. I find things to get people all riled up on here. Last thing, I respect everything that was written on this topic. Even if no one can show proof