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Guys the salesman at Jacuzzi is right when he said the Moto-Massage only hits your spine. It does. It is the Moto-Massage DX that hits both sides of the spine. The wife and I both hated the Moto-Massage in the Vanguard because of it hitting the middle of the spine. Yes you can move from side to side and it will hit different parts of the back. Now the Moto-Massage DX was fantastic. So as a good consumer that has done their homework they would make sure to tell the salesman the difference between the two Moto-Massages. It is always fun to help a sales person to learn a little more about his own product or a competitors.
Quote from: bimmerdog on February 08, 2013, 10:51:24 amGuys the salesman at Jacuzzi is right when he said the Moto-Massage only hits your spine. It does. It is the Moto-Massage DX that hits both sides of the spine. The wife and I both hated the Moto-Massage in the Vanguard because of it hitting the middle of the spine. Yes you can move from side to side and it will hit different parts of the back. Now the Moto-Massage DX was fantastic. So as a good consumer that has done their homework they would make sure to tell the salesman the difference between the two Moto-Massages. It is always fun to help a sales person to learn a little more about his own product or a competitors. But was the salesman really only referring to the single moto when he made the statement or was he saying it in a generic manner that would cover both types to the uninitiated because they're trying to sell a hot tub? Until the earth stops spinning there will always be some salesmen of hot tubs, cars, mattresses... that bring up the competition and try to knock them in one way or another to build themselves up to help make a sale. As long as the customer realizes this it really doesn't hurt much other than maybe the reputation of the person saying it if the customer is savvy enough and sometimes it makes the person go back to the other store to ask follow-up questions which can be a double edged sword.
Quote from: Spatech_tuo on February 08, 2013, 11:04:02 amQuote from: bimmerdog on February 08, 2013, 10:51:24 amGuys the salesman at Jacuzzi is right when he said the Moto-Massage only hits your spine. It does. It is the Moto-Massage DX that hits both sides of the spine. The wife and I both hated the Moto-Massage in the Vanguard because of it hitting the middle of the spine. Yes you can move from side to side and it will hit different parts of the back. Now the Moto-Massage DX was fantastic. So as a good consumer that has done their homework they would make sure to tell the salesman the difference between the two Moto-Massages. It is always fun to help a sales person to learn a little more about his own product or a competitors. But was the salesman really only referring to the single moto when he made the statement or was he saying it in a generic manner that would cover both types to the uninitiated because they're trying to sell a hot tub? Until the earth stops spinning there will always be some salesmen of hot tubs, cars, mattresses... that bring up the competition and try to knock them in one way or another to build themselves up to help make a sale. As long as the customer realizes this it really doesn't hurt much other than maybe the reputation of the person saying it if the customer is savvy enough and sometimes it makes the person go back to the other store to ask follow-up questions which can be a double edged sword.You are correct that we don't know what he was referring to. With all the information at our finger tips (good and bad) we as consumers should go into buying a product that cost a good amount of money with "some" knowledge of the product we are looking at. The salesman is there to sell his product one way or another. A quality produce will sell itself.
Thank you again for your advise. I was informed today that the envoy has an extra $250 off but has been wet since May. To me this makes it a used tub for almost a year. What are your thoughts on that? I've read on here that people tend to stay away from tubs that have been wet at the dealership that long?
Would it be ok for a Toyota dealer to say "Chevys get poor gas mileage"? The Chevy dealer of course would say "Not true, look at the Spark, the Sonic, the Cruz, the ...". Wait though, that Toyota dealer is right because some Chevys don't get good gas mileage.Bimmer I think you're being a little biased in your backing of a salesperson who would be go that route. If the salesman said "the single moto jets hit your spine" that would be fine but lets not be naive, I'd bet more than a couple dollars he used the "moto" term generically.Sales people should stick to selling based on the merits on what they have on their sales room floor, I'm sure your dad would agree.
Thank you! I just spoke to the Sundance dealer and they are going to fill the Victoria for a wet test next week. Along with that they knocked another $500 off with no negotiation for the February special so that makes it very appealing as I think they will go even further if I negotiate a bit, but on paper it seems like a lot of spa for the money. I hope to also wet test the envoy the day of or evening before so I hope that narrows it down. I did price the cameo as well and he came in $400 less than then the J-375 for an ordered unit and $2400 less an the 465 so I contacted a different Jacuzzi dealer to see if they are more flexible. Thanks to everyone's help I am slowly narrowing this search down.