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Sundance Maxxus vs. Artic Spas KodiakSE

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wesj53:
Geez, I thought I sometimes get long with my posts bosco! Obviously, you and I are in agreement on most, if not all that you said. Being newer here, I didn't know that Tman was Roger. He and I have had a few disagreements but I trust that most have been done with respect for each other. Guys, this stuff is really not that important in the whole scheme of life. Think about our soldiers overseas fighting the dreaded and evil terrorists trying to keep us safe and it puts everything in perspective. Think about where you're going to spend eternity after your death and that really puts hot tobs in a low priority position. But enough of that!

Roger, I sincerely think (as you and I have agreed) that written posts many times get misinterpreted. I honestly have never "boasted" about Arctic superiority by slamming the competition. I have given credit, for example, to HS, Sundance, and Artesian for their innovations, and have many times offered glowing endorsements of non-Arctic products that I have wet tested. But as hard as it is for a lot of industry types to admit, Arctic has been an innovator with a lot of new good ideas which I believe are those engineering achievements that we owners try and educate our fellow consumers. (I don't believe I have EVER read any dealer on these sites that have credited Arctic without some sort of prodding). Personally, I find some other mfgs designs to be superior to some of those of Arctic, and I will readily admit that until I use my Tundra for a full year, the jury is still out as to whether this unit will serve the purpose that I hoped it would do. And I have openly informed readers of this site (and Whats the best) that I will honestly report things like energy usage, seating comfort factor, jet positioning, etc.

I was not around when the supposed aggressive marketing of Arctic personnel was thought to be over the top. But as a sales guy, you had better be more aggressive than less if you ever want to selll anything (especially if you're the new kid on the block). So why live in the past? Let's all move on, respect each other and the products we have purchased. That doesn't mean we can't ask pointed questions of each other's brands since that is how we all learn more. But to bash without fact is not warranted IMO.

Now you 2 guys kiss and make up! UH no, forget that. I mean shake hands!!!!

Tman122:
Wes I signed my name so you would know who I was.

And your right.

anne:

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 However Anne I challange any Arctic owner to admit here that, they purchased believing there tub was nothing more than as good as several other brands. Of course they all think they are superior.

And we here are a tiny tiny fraction of the tub owners out there, most of them could care less and there tubs, no matter what the brand, are just as good and last just as long. But try and get an Arctic owner to realize it. Although I am sure there are those Arctic owners who don't post or visit these forums that say. "Arctic Smarctic who cares it's just a box of hot water"
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You are joking right???? Do you really honestly think you can generalize a statement like that about people who own a particular brand of tub??? Your opinions become less valid in my eyes if you regard me/us that way so flippantly. I will FREELY say that I do not think Arctic is superior. I think if you searched EVERY comment I have ever made here about Arctic, you'd see that I'm super happy with my tub, but I'd NEVER claim it is the best. Wes was very forceful in saying that his was the best for HIM, but I dont think he has ever tried to say that Arctic is the only good tub out there.




--- Quote --- A couple simple questions for you Arctic owners I need to do a consensus for the rest of the board. How many years have you all owned your Arctic.? Is this your second Arctic? If so how long did your first one last?

I have only serviced one in the last 5 years because there isn't any dealers around me. I have been to a couple dealers and taken an entire unit apart to look under the hood.


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This is my first Arctic tub. I have had it 8 months. It is my first tub period. WTF does it matter? I guess you are trying to show that none of us have been around tubs long enough to have an opinion???

How on earth did you get so jaded?????

hottubdan:
This has been really helpful for someone trying to choose between Arctic and Sundance.

 :(

Tman122:
Anne part of any manufacturers grading in my eyes is having a long standing reputation for reliability and meeting there custumers and service peoples needs. Many, many companys have proved it over the years. In my book Arctic hasn't yet. Will they? I do not know, can I speculate, yes, they seem to be run by some top notch people so I would say yes. Many companys have come, made a big statement, and then gone. I dout this will happen to them and we will find out. It is one of the things that have kept them from the top of my list. My list may not matter to you or anyone, as it shouldn't because it's mine. So just as you and many others have praised there brand, I to will tout my brand/s. This board is for consumers looking for information, unbiased information. I try and give that.

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