General > Beating a dead horse
Sundance Maxxus vs. Artic Spas KodiakSE
Tman122:
--- Quote ---Tman122, I support the fact that arctic owners have been more sensitive on this board, however, how can you call your post subjective. In fact I would argue that your post is just another jab, like you have been known to do. You come out with a little sarcasim, a little over generalization, and then you disclaim arcitc with a quick jab.
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Here we go again Bosco. Your opinion of Arctic can't be any more relavent than mine. This is an open forum, and we are all allowed our opinion. As an Arctic owner I expect you to be insulted, but if being insulted by my opinion gets me chastised then so be it. But maybe a public forum with other peoples available opinions is not where you should be hanging out because there, believe it or not, may be several thousand people in this world who do not believe Arctic is anything more than "mediocre" And just maybe my experience lends some credibility to my assesment.
Guess what, I think Hot Spring is nothing more than "mediocre"
To whoever mentioned why Arctic turns so many heads, now you know. Its because when someone states there opinion as nothing more than "mediocre" The Arctic crowd jumps all over us. And as long as that continues Arctic will continue to "turn heads" Arctic owners heads anyway.
--- Quote ---Good question and observation lagator. Some reasons for the bullets may include the fast growth pattern of Arctic. I have heard that Arctic has been one of the fastest gorwing (if not THE fastest) spa mfg in the world. Secondly, they have a insulation design (Heatlock) that runs contrary to the traditional FF design. Some folks who sell FF products just don't want to admit that there may be an alternative method of producing spas which MAY be more efficient in terms of energy costs. Thirdly, Arctic has many unique features which competitors question the reliability (Forever Floor, Peak Ozone, reflex torsion hoses, titanium protected heaters, sealed Italian pumps). You will also hear that Arctic has only been around 12 years so they still have not "proven themselves".
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I don't think it's any of those things in particular that you mementioned wes. I think you have to put them all together except the fastest growing thing and call it marketing then you have it.
--- Quote ---So I would challenge you, at least over the last 10 months, to give an example of "some outrages claim of superiority over another brand and someone calls BS on them" on this forum. I just dont think it has happened.
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The Arctic sales crowd has no dout improved there tactics and it all relates to there communication officers hard work and dilegence monitoring this forum and every other forum, Tom is a great guy. However Anne I challange any Arctic owner to admit here that, they purchased believing there tub was nothing more than as good as several other brands. Of course they all think they are superior. Ask wes he will tell you why and even if experience here tells him different it will not matter to him.
And we here are a tiny tiny fraction of the tub owners out there, most of them could care less and there tubs, no matter what the brand, are just as good and last just as long. But try and get an Arctic owner to realize it. Although I am sure there are those Arctic owners who don't post or visit these forums that say. "Arctic Smarctic who cares it's just a box of hot water"
Sigh........I will never be understood. I don't even bash a product and I get accused of throwing in a stab at it. There are a couple things I don't like about the Arctic design and all of a sudden I am some kind of evil Arctic basher. There are things I don't like about alot of brands and yet I don't get bashed for pointing them out. I get accused of bashing a brand even though I am allowed my opinion of mediocracy and for some reason I get jumped all over by none other than the very crowd that can't understand why they are not getting the respect they think they deserve.
A couple simple questions for you Arctic owners I need to do a consensus for the rest of the board. How many years have you all owned your Arctic.? Is this your second Arctic? If so how long did your first one last?
I have only serviced one in the last 5 years because there isn't any dealers around me. I have been to a couple dealers and taken an entire unit apart to look under the hood.
Roger
bosco0633:
Tman, tell me where I jumped in all over you as you put it. I am not one of those supporters as you say, I believe in the same principles as you and others. I feel that your mouth gets the better of you from time to time unfortunately.
If you truely feel that your posts about this subject are not tounge and ckeek, then I owe you an apology. I feel that the sarcasim that you speak, really makes "Us People" feel like outcasts. Call the tub medeocre, I could care less, but do it in a tackful way.
Let me make it very clear to you, I dont care about TP vs. FF. I dont care if I bought a tub from shady sales guys like you just cant seem to let go. I dont care about people calling Arctic medeocre or below average.
If I understand you correctly, we arctic owners are constantly going on about superiority. Show me where friend. Anne asked you and you avoided it, so tell me where????
You will never be understood????? your opinions are respected by many, however, when you treat people like a minority group then you will never be understood. You claims are unsuported and not factual, and you mislead people by your cocky redorek.
If you got beefs with Arctic, Hotsprings and any other tub, good, keep up the good fight. Let me know how that is working for you. But please Tman, stop talking so much crap about arctic, I paid alot of cash for my tub and dont feel that I constantly need to be chastised about some bad sales strategy.
I see a trend with you. You come out with loud bold statements and when you get called to task on it, you just play the victim. What did I do, why are you picking on me, everyone else is so sensitive. Deny all you want, anyone can read in your writings and in the past writings just how this is. Every time Tman.
I even post you a compliment but you are so concerned about continuing the fight, that you overlook it. I would let it go, but not until you can appreciate "our" side a little more. You get so angry when others dont see your point.
bosco0633:
I forgot, Your consensus. I think in unfair and will be impartial. You know as well as I do, that this forum is viewed primarily by people in the market to buy and newer owners. As time passes, people drop off. So most people will say to you that they have not owned there tub that long. Also the second part of you post is to see if this is first and second to discredit the amount of time arctic has been around.
So I would say that your point must be overlooked. Why dont you call Arctic and find out how many tubs have been sold. Break it down to every year if you like. Ask how many tubs have been returned.
Why dont you ask board members, how many have purchased an arctic and decided that it was not a good tub and returned it or traded in for something else. That would support your consensus more. But again, you dont care about this, your just trying to prove your point that is old school and negative. Let go of the past, move forward have fun.
Again, to avoid your defensive reply, I could care less that you view arctic as mediocre. I disagree with the way you present it. One last point, you posted that we arctic owners believe our tubs are superior. Well fella, I am here to say like I have always that I dont think that. I dont think that any one brand is superior. I dont fall into the belief that my tub heats any better than any other tub, I dont believe my product or design is any better than any other.
I do believe that I bought a great item, one that competes with several top brands. But I never bought this tub thinking that I was buying the rolls royce of hot tubs. I liked the dealer, the seating configurement, I enjoyed the wet test and the overall look. Not to mention that the dealer is 1 km away form my house.
So again, your point is over generalized and unfactual. So I call you to task again.
Sorry to be this way with you, I really am. I just dont think you see the point that I am not going at you for your statements and opinions, rather they way you present them. separate the two, and I think you will realize that we are arguing the same points really!!
Waiting in anticipation!!!!
Tman122:
--- Quote ---[Sundance and Arctic make fine products. See what dealer you are most comfortable with and which tub you are most comfortable sitting in. They will both run about the same per month to operate, and Sundance has a proven track record for longevity and customer support. I also think Arctic may last a while but it hasn't been around long enough in it's current design to know.
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Wait a minute now!! With a post like this, I got attacked by you. I think the one who has let there mouth get them in trouble is you!!
I stand by my statement and can repeat it if you like because maybe you didn't understand it the first time!! But it's above if you'd like to look.
Tman122:
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--- Quote ---[Sundance and Arctic make fine products. See what dealer you are most comfortable with and which tub you are most comfortable sitting in. They will both run about the same per month to operate, and Sundance has a proven track record for longevity and customer support. I also think Arctic may last a while but it hasn't been around long enough in it's current design to know.
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Wait a minute now!! With a post like this, I got attacked by you. I think the one who has let there mouth get them in trouble is you!!
I stand by my statement and can repeat it if you like because maybe you didn't understand it the first time!! But it's above if you'd like to look.
My intention was not a jab and it's to bad you saw it that way.
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