General > Beating a dead horse
Sundance Maxxus vs. Artic Spas KodiakSE
wesj53:
Good question and observation lagator. Some reasons for the bullets may include the fast growth pattern of Arctic. I have heard that Arctic has been one of the fastest gorwing (if not THE fastest) spa mfg in the world. Secondly, they have a insulation design (Heatlock) that runs contrary to the traditional FF design. Some folks who sell FF products just don't want to admit that there may be an alternative method of producing spas which MAY be more efficient in terms of energy costs. Thirdly, Arctic has many unique features which competitors question the reliability (Forever Floor, Peak Ozone, reflex torsion hoses, titanium protected heaters, sealed Italian pumps). You will also hear that Arctic has only been around 12 years so they still have not "proven themselves".
I hope you are not referring to me as one of those Arctic owners who want to shove my opinion down other people's throats, but I'm not. Whe I began shopping for spas I did a lot of research, studied the various aspects of how they are made and formed my own conclusions. I do defend the brand when there is misinformation disemminated and I will stand up to dealers (which some don't like). I try to be fair in everything I write but sometimes the written word is misinterpreted and then discussions go "south". I also try and supply more information to fellow consumers than the standard line, "wet test to see if a tub is comfortable". There are lots of spas that are comfortable so IMO an educated consumer should look into how they are made as well. I hope that helps.
drewstar:
These are both good spas. Wet Test. Don't make the primary decsion based on the insulation. (concerning these two tubs. Both have satisfied customers and good track records).
As far as Artic taking a few hits, maybe. But they are not the only one. It seems to run in cycles around here. Folks were ganging up on the Hotsprings crowd a while ago, Master has gotten beat on pretty bad, Bullfrog, Artesian, all of them. Folks can get pretty emotional over these things, but Artic has not gotten beat on any more (nor less) than any other brand.
Some of the negative attacks come from folks being put off by artics agressive sales claims. They seemed to have calmed down a bit in the past year, but for a while they were passing out some pretty potent kool aid. :)
Some of the other attacks came from the hotly debated Insualtion debate...which..eh. I aint got the energy today.
Anyhow, Wet test. Aint no other way to make an intteligent, informed decsion. :)
bosco0633:
Tman122, I support the fact that arctic owners have been more sensitive on this board, however, how can you call your post subjective. In fact I would argue that your post is just another jab, like you have been known to do. You come out with a little sarcasim, a little over generalization, and then you disclaim arcitc with a quick jab.
I would agree that there has been people that join the board and post about arctic in a bad way. But those people come and go quickly as we all know.
Dont make it look like arctic owners are buying into a "superior product" as you say and then add that they are only "medeocracy".
Sundance makes a great tub, I would never discredit them. Yeah they have stood the test of time, but they have been around longer. What about all the posts last year from new sundance owners that went on and on about wireing issues with the lights and displays. That was more than a few people with issues. Do we just chalk that up to a bad year of product or bad batch???
Arcitc owners are not the only ones that support there product. Just last week tileman posted "overlooked and underappreciated". He talked about jacuzzi not getting the support. He added how great the tub is built and posted pics of his jets opposed to other tub jets. How come this post didnt go south like this one??? Why is it you only beef up like this over arctic posts??
I would suggest, that if you could stop hyjacking posts like this, then these subjects with arctic would not always get placed in beating a dead horse.
I dont appreciate being placed in a pile as if I have some rare contagious disease. I never brag about superiority and nither does any of the growing number of "REGULARS" on this board.
No one ever said that you and others are not entitled to their own opinions, however, if you are going to be factual, try not to make false over generalizations and try not to be so ready to twist screws that do not need to be tightened.
You are a very knowledgeable person, I hold you as someone very knowledgeable in this industry and I respect your thoughts and opinions. Just realize that we are all here to learn, some to have fun and chat with others and overall we are proud owners of a product that we all mutually enjoy, Hot tubs.
Every industry has bad seeds, and arctic has had its fair share because they were the new kid on the block and breaking into an established industry. They have had growing pains, however, I would argue to you that 12 years in the industry is not a fly by night company. I would argue that they are a sound company, they are a growing company and they sell a product that goes against the industry norm.
Lets leave it at that, so posts dont go south. Please
tony:
--- Quote ---Can I ask a silly question? Why do I get the feeling that there is a hate on for Arctic Spas? :-? I have only been reading these boards for the last month but Arctic seems to get more bullets than any other brand listed.
The majority of Arctic owners seem down to earth about their brand ( example: Anne). It is human nature that all brands will have certain owners who want to shove their opinion down other peoples throat and irritate the heck out of people.
What have they done to get so many people angry?
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I don't think there is a hate for Arctic spas, just some Arctic sales persons who spout false statements about Arctic's thermopane system being more efficient and scareing buyers regarding repairing leaks in full foam spas. And its not just a few, but a long history of these tactics. I personally feel that Actic makes a fine spa. I don't like thermopane because it relies on the cabinet remaining a sealed unit which I don't think it can for the long run. I happen to feel that the most efficient way to heat your water is with a heater. Just my opinion and that only counts when I'm spending my money. I've seen Arctic spas up close. I don't really like everything just kind of hanging inside the cabinet. I feel more secure with the solid feel of a full foam spa.
Does thermopane work? I believe it does.
Does it work as well as full foam? I believe it does when done right.
Does it work better than full foam? I don't believe it does.
But its only an opinion...
anne:
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Whats funny is, and it has been a while now so this is all kind of moot, but, Arctic owners call it being attached when they make some outrages claim of superiority over another brand and someone calls BS on them.
Next thing you know those who claimed the BS are the ones being called attachers, funny how that works. As an Arctic owner you are allowed your opinion of there fine product, but us, anyone else is not allowed our opinion of there mediocracy? Huh?
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Sigh. In a way I almost don't want to post anything, since I may just sound defensive, but when I learn to keep my mouth shut, I just wont be me. I agree with a lot of what Wes and Bosco said, and it doesnt need to be repeated. However...
I have been frequenting this board for about 10 months. When I first arrived, I definitely picked up on the "vibe" about Arctic being the ugly stepsister of the spa world. I was not here previous to 10 months ago to experience some of the bad sales tactics that have been discussed, but I do trust that it happened, as I trust those who recount it. (And I read some archives, and got a little "cool aid" from my dealer, but he was king of a clown). In the last 10 months, I have interacted indirectly with a number of different people from Arctic, and I think that the sales games have toned down, as I have been nothing but impressed with these people. I would say that Arctic as a company probably made some marketing mistakes, but I hope that is in the past. So I would challenge you, at least over the last 10 months, to give an example of "some outrages claim of superiority over another brand and someone calls BS on them" on this forum. I just dont think it has happened.
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