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Im glad I can make you laugh. But Ive put that theory to test on my own Arctic spa, and it holds no bearing. The outside temp or conditions dont effect the temp of the inside cabinet. That outside insulation works both ways.
Im glad I can make you laugh. But Ive put that theory to test on my own Arctic spa, and it holds no bearing. The outside temp or conditions dont effect the temp of the inside cabinet. That outside insulation works both ways. [/quotso the temp of the air in the cabinet is constantly hotter than the temp of the water in the spa?
Not in the cabinet it is not.
The max operating temp inside the cabinet is to be 120F. You are trying to tell the entire board that this cabinet maintains temps between 102f and 120f?Why do you suppose they changed to the expensive Italian pump?I will answer it for you, in a quote from an Arctic engineer:"The pumps in our spas are also in a very hot environment.... EMG has designed their motors to [use] forced air cooling. They use air flow over the aluminium finned housing to cool the motor. The use of aluminium and the large surface area of the outside of the motor make this design an improvement over [motors from our previous supplier, which] restrict the amount of air flow by running the air through the centre of the motor and use a steel housing which does not conduct the heat as well." Switching the pump was a good move, but this does not protect the electronics.
Because they would have to prove on each board that this was the cause and I am not saying that the failure will even come within the warranty, This is why Gecko replaced 1000's of boards for L.A Spas after they swithced to their new filter.So the heat from the cabinet is building up under your cover?The engineer that said "our pumps operate in very high temps" he meant 119F?
Just an FYI if the temp reaches 117 in the cabinet the HL pops up on the display board that NEVER happens on my spa at home or in the showroom. So yes he must have been talking about heat less than 117 degrees. I would think 5-10 years would be enough time for serious damage from constant 250 degree heat. Im pretty sure that the plastics would be warping or possibly beginning to take different shapes. But what do I know I just buy and sell and sit em every night!
O.K I was misspoken when I said 250f it was a figure as if I were saying it was "hotter than hell outside" I suppose you would expect to look out and see J.A running through hot lava in a speedo. MY BAD!I have read the average operating temps n the cabinets are between 140f and 150F. This arguemnet has been waged and there atleast 5 customers who came out complaining about hose failures, heat issues, light lens failure issues, even fires (which I do not believe). I would suggest you do a pole as to how many customers have HL popping up and you will be surprised what you find, we had a barrage of calls last summer and we are not even the dealer. I guess I am upset that the dealers isn't throwing in tennis balls as a closer. "tell ya what, buy today and ya get a hole punch for your cover and a set of Louvered cabinets for looks"customer: "throw in a gallon of that there stain and ya got yourself a deal"the salesman is happy he didn't have to throw in extra hoses. and thank God the whole light lense and biguanide fiasco is over.I give up! You win!
Hillbilly,Good questions however I have to question how much service background you've actually had....In 20 years I've never seen more bees and bugs in a fully foamed tub! How could that be? They take the least path of resistance and the open chamber is much more welcoming than a closed one. We have an issue here with spiders in TP cabinets...They love the dark open space for webs. Sure I've also see them in equipment compartments on full foam tubs but not nearly to the degree that I've seen them on TP.As far as the plumbing getting "dried out" from the curing of the foam...I'm not sure what you’re talking about here but the plumbing doesn't "Dry out" in any "curing”. Our enemy is air when it comes to plumbing, air and possibly chemicals. Open any older HS spa (I use them as an example because they have a lot of ff spa out that are older) and look at the small tubing in the equipment compartment then look at some of the small tubing locked in the foam. Both can be a bit brittle however the tubing by the motors is very stiff and fragile and cannot be manipulated.When you talk about "wrapping" a foam cup...What are you talking about? I can't remember anyone putting a sleeve over the heavy white foam cups that have been around forever to keep them from getting to warm but see them do that on the paper or thin foam used by some of the big companies. [glow]Just for logic sake why don't you contact an insulation company and see what they think of some of this?[/glow]Now to readdress the operating temp of the components... The bottom line is this; your thinking in the terms of water damage not wear....any component that can create heat will survive better in cooler conditions than hotter, that's just common sense. Heat breaks down plastics and metals much faster than cold does. If you don’t believe this than again, shut the fan off in your computer for awhile or better yet let it run in a cold environment like your garage and see if it shuts down then set it in the sun in front of your window while it operates and see if it has any problems. More than likely it will crash if it sets in the sunlight while operating very long.As far as whether your product lasts or holds up against any other product, I would have to say that it does fine but as far as whether it makes more sense and is better than other products...that's where the battle begins. [glow]The key tricky phrase here is "Does it make sense" vs. "Does it make more sense". [/glow]Then to Steve's comment...I agree that often everyone thinks they know more about the competitors product than their own in these debates but also believe it is vital to know and understand not only your product but to become extremely knowledgeable in your competition. In this case we should probably take out the name brand and compare a style or philosophy of manufacturing a product. That's just kinda hard when so many think their brand is so different or so much better than everyone else. The frustrating part for me is how many people comment with partial knowledge of what they are talking about and forgo common sense to support a myopic view of their revenue producing stream.
If it insulates just as well, what is the advantage to full foam to dead air if they insulate the same?