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clover:

--- Quote ---Some of you may very well come here for that reason. It seems that others come here to trash competing brands and make ridiculous claims about the quality of the brands they sell.  It's tough to tell which people are helpful and which are full of it....but believe me I'm trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

So....if you're in a helpful mood, perhaps you could let me know which brands exactly are considered the "Top brands" that you consider to be "energy efficient".  Also...maybe you could give me a list of the ones that aren't.   It might be a useful reference for people.
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Josh, you have made a good decision on what you bought based on your evaluation of what the industry has to offer to you.  I believe what everyone here is saying is that they live it every day and have done so for more than 2 or even 3 decades of industry experience.  This does not make them right or wrong, but is does offer a great deal of input for them to form opinions and beliefs.

While we all have our individual beliefs, and we try to represent sell our products honestly and truthfully, we deliver a meaningful benefit to shopping consumers, even when we don't make a sale.  We still extend every courtesy to every shopping consumer in their plight to seek and find their best choice.  You have benefited from this experienced.

On the other hand, a consumer who has been shopping and listening to all of the dribble that comes out in the process about their Tub and the Tubs of others can only use their limited experience to form their opinion, of which you have many, and that's OK.  This alone does not make them knowledgeable about what the industry has to offer, or what the differences are, or for that matter, how important is horsepower.  

Shopping Consumers usually base their decisions on #jets, Horsepower, price, bells and whistles.  That is when we hear about their negotiation skills that allow them to get a free this or that, or something included FREE for nothing, whatever, but a great deal, none the less.  

Trash talk, overstated horsepower, great discounts certainly play a strong part in convincing the consumer who makes the eventual decision.  You end up buying something that stands out to YOU, and it is usually from someone you feel comfortable with.  That is a GOOD decision and a great experience.  

To discuss who's got what or what is more efficient than another's are topics that are of interest BEFORE a decision is made, not after.  That only brings up buyers remorse and a great levels of anxiety over what they bought.

clover:

--- Quote ---I wonder if a truly independent 3rd party has ever done a study like this....and done research on more than just one tub?
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Because we live it every day, we can tell you the answer.  NO, and why would it benefit anyone other than a manufacturer or the consumer to study and identify their energy consumption.  The industry is young and the numbers are relatively small and do not justify a profitable return to afford the expense of third party examination.  As you indicate, IF the manufacturer did their own evaluation, it would not be viable in your mind.  

Who would pay the third party?  Who would benefits from the data?  The Maker, the Consumer, the Third Party?  What you want is viable and specific proof from an unbiased, outside resource who get's nothing for their time, efforts, or expenses in doing so.  Consumers Report's happens to be a viable third party source, but they have done nothing to this date.

Dr. Spaâ„¢ Ret.:
Josh, the post directly above yours, posted 20 minutes earlier, has the Arctic study, that was done with many different spas, by a 3rd party... Are you not reading posts before responding?????

AstaLaVista:

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Well Josh,

Hot Spring and Arctic are the [glow]only[/glow] brands that I know of that have published 3rd party testing.  For what it is worth:

http://www.hotspring.com/Spa_Showroom_Hot_Tub/energy_testing.html

http://www.arcticspas.com/index.php/en/custom_content/12/12/

Of course, studies are open to interpretation.  Arctic studies use some criteria of temperatures that are outside the norm for millions of potential spa owners.  Hot Spring study refers to a specific use pattern that is probably close to real use for most people and refers to several ambient temperatures.

If there are and other 3rd party tests out there I would like to see them.  Not interested in any self reporting tests.

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Yup... Doc.. there it is.. I was thinking the same thing. ::)

Spatech_tuo:

--- Quote ---Josh, the post directly above yours, posted 20 minutes earlier, has the Arctic study, that was done with many different spas, by a 3rd party... Are you not reading posts before responding?????
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It would have been nice if the Arctic study compared itself with standard thermopane spas not just full foam spas. I gotta believe that since Arctic's design is not the same as the other thermopanes they proably wanted to distance themselves from any thought that they're just another thermopane spa design and wanted to compare themselves with full foam spas so they could say they insulate as well or better than full foam. It would have been interesting to have seen how Master, LA, Coleman, Dynasty, etc. and a few of the other larger thermopane spa makers would have faired in teh Arctic study.

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