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Vanguard:
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This is what I said:
I stand by every word of that.
Any hot tub you buy is going to jack your power bill regardless of what some slick talking salesman tells you about it being "energy efficient". Over the years, I've seen dozens of similar "energy efficient" claims made about chest freezers, refrigerators and air conditioners....and it doesn't take a genius to realize that's all BS too.
They may be efficient compared to some other model of the same appliance, but what happens when you plug any of those things in? The next month...boom...you'll notice it on the bill. A hot tub is no different....no matter what the sales pitch says. Heating water to 102 degrees or so (then keeping it there) takes a lot of juice. You'll notice it on the bill, no matter how "efficient" it is supposed to be. That's not even taking into account all the hours you spend out there each month with the jets on.
I'm not arguing that one hot tub may be insulated in such a way that it might save you a few cents per use, and a few bucks per month over another brand of hot tub. That's probably true. I'm just saying that it's only a matter of a couple of bucks, and nothing to get excited about. In the grand scheme of things, they're all HUGE power suckers. They cost more to operate each month than just about any appliance in your home (except maybe the AC in summertime).
Calling any of them "efficient" is just a stupid sales gimmick.
I doubt it. My old hot tub ran almost every day for the past few years. I'm pretty used to the power consumption of a hot tub by now. Once I get the new tub, I'll be surprised if my bill changes much in the next few months....but I'll definitely take a look at it to see whether it goes up or down compared to the old one.
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And you base this on your years and years of being in and around this industry? You own a hot tub. You did some research when buying a hot tub. An all knowing expert in this industry you are not.
Among the top brands, energy efficiency differences will be small. However, there are many brands out there that are not nearly so energy efficient. Some can cost as much as three to four times a month more to operate.
I've been reading your posts and have grown tired of how you take the professionals that contribute to this forum and reduce them to sales hacks that are just pushing their brand. Some of us do know what we are talking about here and are not here to sell a hot tub. Some folks are here to put good information out and inform consumers who are looking to purchase a hot tub. None of the professionals here are trying to use sales gimmicks to sell these folks a spa. For the most part, they couldn't sell them the spa if they wanted due to different locations.
hottubdan:
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It is VERY naive to think all spas are basically alike when it comes to energy efficiency and we're not talking about a "few cents per use" or a "few bucks per month". Two people could buy 2 brand new spas tomorrow, similarly priced similarly powered (and similar pumps/features), use them the same amount of time in the same climates and it would not surprise me if the more energy efficient spa cost them maybe $40 a month while the less efficient costs 3x that.
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That is exactly what we hear from customers. We have sold many spas to people eho bought their 1st spa from the mass merchant with the great return policy. They said their spas were costing over $100/month.
Josh:
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It is VERY naive to think all spas are basically alike when it comes to energy efficiency ........
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--- Quote ---And you base this on your years and years of being in and around this industry? You own a hot tub. You did some research when buying a hot tub. An all knowing expert in this industry you are not.
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Jeez. Guys. Slow down.
I will happily admit I'm not an expert in this area. I bow to your infinite wisdom on the subject. You are spa masters and I am but your humble student.
Everyone's ego feeling better? Ok.
All I've been saying is that spas take a lot of power to operate. All spas. That....was my only point. I can't believe people are actually still arguing with me about that.
Spatech_tuo:
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Everyone's ego feeling better? Ok.
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Some of us come here to stay in tune with what is out there, to read about what others see, to help others with our experience, etc. That kind of comment is inaccurate and ridiculous.
Tom:
--- Quote ---I'm not arguing that one hot tub may be insulated in such a way that it might save you a few cents per use, and a few bucks per month over another brand of hot tub. That's probably true. I'm just saying that it's only a matter of a couple of bucks, and nothing to get excited about....Calling any of them "efficient" is just a stupid sales gimmick.
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In a test of thermal efficiency of eight hot tubs, the Alberta Research Council found that at -12C, the most efficient model tested used 266W/m3*h while the least efficient used 968W/m3*h or over three and a half times as much energy. So where a "silly" energy-efficient hot tub might cost $30 a month, a less-efficient unit might cost over $100. That difference is considerably more than "a few cents" and the facts suggest that there is more involved than "a stupid sales gimmick".
There are actually some physics and engineering involved.
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