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Re: ***** Spas

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wmccall:
Ok, I'm back as myself  ;D  I can't speak to the quality of those spas.  But having dealt with the owner  I can say if they were the best spas in the world and they were half the cost of any other spa, I still wouldn't buy one.  I wish I would have saved the email messages he sent me, though it would be illegal for me to post them.  I believe, in my non-professional opinion, he is an unbalanced loon.

drewstar:
 Hopefully Bodyaches is not the "Flim flam" man in disguise, or one of his flying monkeys doing his bidding, and this is a legitimate post.  I would very much like to see an intellegent dicussion on these tubs from a consumer's viewpoint, esp from someone who is going up to wet test the tub, and talk to this man and report first hand what's what.

fatman:

--- Quote ---Forgive me as I am skeptical if you are genuinely serous about buying the spa you are considering .....since there is no real cost savings to you and since you are buying from someone who will not be able , simply by logistics be able to provide any real service and since the spas are neither UL or ETL approved why would you consider it. As mentioned you are looking at a spa that is made by a manufacture that most would consider middle of the road at best and than shipped off where someone tinkers with it and voids all safety certs that it originally had ..... why not stick with a  company that actually builds and warranties their spas .....since the Haven name is what you are considering and it is actually a Phoenix spa...what happens if Haven goes out of business will Phoenix honor the warranty ....I do not think so ..... I have always wondered why the gentleman who is Haven spas with all of his self proclaimed superiority , if there were real validity to it a larger company would buy his innovations , hire him and make the best spa on the market but since that has not happened I wonder where is the substance to all of his talk ....Think Micro soft if someone does it better they buy them to gain the edge ....it would happened with spas as well if there was real substance to his claims.
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Mendo, You make a very good point here. Nicely worded. My wife and I were talking about the original post of this thread. The idea of flying out of state to wet test a hot tub sounds like a gigantic waste of time to both of us.  Even if you were to disregard all the negativity surrounding *****/JA, does he truly manufacturer such a superior product that anybody would spend the money to fly to CO to check it out?When it comes time for a warranty repair, do you think JA would be quick to jump on a plane to fix your hot tub?  

wmccall:

--- Quote --- Hopefully Bodyaches is not the "Flim flam" man in disguise, or one of his flying monkeys doing his bidding, and this is a legitimate post.  I would very much like to see an intellegent dicussion on these tubs from a consumer's viewpoint, esp from someone who is going up to wet test the tub, and talk to this man and report first hand what's what.




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My sentiments exactly Drewstar.  That is the main reason the thread exists as it does now.  My only concern at this point is not accidently directing any extra business his way.

drewstar:

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My sentiments exactly Drewstar.  That is the main reason the thread exists as it does now.  My only concern at this point is not accidently directing any extra business his way.
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if what people say about him is true, thenI have no doubt that if it is discussed in this fourm,  no business will be directed his way.

I am curious on what model tub you were looking at, the price,  any lititerture you received,  what claims were made about the tub, did you get a copy of the warrentey etc?  All that info would be fair game to disect.

And oh, do they throw in a free steroe or any cool rubber ducks?

Free rubber ducks are the hallmark of a good dealer.

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