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Cola:
I hate to tell you Ronald, but you got suckered into the usual HS filtration speach.  Ok well that's a stretch but I have the Epic and I can tell you that the filtration is just as good.  My water stays crystal clear.  The lie about little or no chems is just that.  If you have other people over in the tub, you will want to make sure that the sanitizer levels are up a bit.  The silver cartridge and the frog cartridge are very slow killing minerals.  Ozone is a fast kill, but thats just for the small part of the water flowing through the tube, for the most part and it doesn't run when you are in the tub.  The marquis's filtration is excellent.  My tub can sit for five days easy without dichlor (no bromine) on two hours per day filtration and a mineral cartridge and the water will still look crystal clear.
The bottom line here is that both tubs a great tubs.  The 24 hour pumps are great but some say that they don't last.  I made my decision based on the following in this order
1) Quality and service - I started by narrowing down to the top mfg's based on info from this forum.  Not everything was available locally, but we did bet to try out seven quality brands (of about 15 locally available brands)
2) Fit - the Epic was by far the best that we wet tested.  Price was better than hot springs.  Both have excellent warranties and both look similar in quality.
3) Filtration and chemicals - This was initially my number one concern.  I am a bit sensitive to chlorine smell.  As I learned more about water sanitation,  I realized that no ona has a true chemical free system.  I too was concerned about sitting in a chemical soup.  Although I keep my dichlor readings way low for personal usage, I do bring it up when anyone else is over.
The bottom line is that your priorities are just that, yours.  You have chosen a great tub and I don't personally care what anybody else here owns, just make sure that you are getting the one that you truely like the best.
Good luck and happy tubbing
Steve

shabba34:

--- Quote ---I hate to tell you Ronald, but you got suckered into the usual HS filtration speach.  Ok well that's a stretch but I have the Epic and I can tell you that the filtration is just as good.  My water stays crystal clear.  The lie about little or no chems is just that.  If you have other people over in the tub, you will want to make sure that the sanitizer levels are up a bit.  The silver cartridge and the frog cartridge are very slow killing minerals.  Ozone is a fast kill, but thats just for the small part of the water flowing through the tube, for the most part and it doesn't run when you are in the tub.  The marquis's filtration is excellent.  My tub can sit for five days easy without dichlor (no bromine) on two hours per day filtration and a mineral cartridge and the water will still look crystal clear.
The bottom line here is that both tubs a great tubs.  The 24 hour pumps are great but some say that they don't last.  I made my decision based on the following in this order
1) Quality and service - I started by narrowing down to the top mfg's based on info from this forum.  Not everything was available locally, but we did bet to try out seven quality brands (of about 15 locally available brands)
2) Fit - the Epic was by far the best that we wet tested.  Price was better than hot springs.  Both have excellent warranties and both look similar in quality.
3) Filtration and chemicals - This was initially my number one concern.  I am a bit sensitive to chlorine smell.  As I learned more about water sanitation,  I realized that no ona has a true chemical free system.  I too was concerned about sitting in a chemical soup.  Although I keep my dichlor readings way low for personal usage, I do bring it up when anyone else is over.
The bottom line is that your priorities are just that, yours.  You have chosen a great tub and I don't personally care what anybody else here owns, just make sure that you are getting the one that you truely like the best.
Good luck and happy tubbing
Steve
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10 people, 10 different opinions.             The Envoy was by far the best we wet tested between Marquis, Sundance etc... 8)

I can leave my spa 23 days, 6 hours and 17 minutes with just ozone and silver ion cart and the water will be crystal clear. ::)

He got suckered in to the HS filtration??  So anyone who explains the difference between brand X,Y,Z and how they operate are now suckering the customer!  Poor statement choice Cola. :P  

Ron, enjoy your Envoy.  And be careful stepping into that lounger. ;D ;D ;D

Mendocino101:
Both are nice spas, both will keep your water clean. and both have people who think one is better than the other. I think its the Marquis of course but I respect that the Envoy is also a nice spa and I am sure you will be happy with either.

salesdvl:

--- Quote ---If a little circ pump is moving 5 gallons a minute with 100% filtration, and a jet pump is moving 20 gallons a minute with only 25% filtration, which is filtering more water?

Come on guys, all the water coming out is simply diluting the main body of dirty water in the spa. They all work! If one was really that much better wouldn't everyone be doing it the same?


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Amen

salesdvl:
I remember a chemical seminar one time that taught that good water quality was like a 3 legged table.  Filtration, Circualtion, & Chemicals;  without one, the table will fall over.  The filter story is just that.  It's a story to talk about to the customer.  The reality is that they will all do perfectly OK as long as the other 2 "legs" are still there.
I have had Hot Spring display spas in the past turn nasty because the chemicals weren't maintained, at the same time as the brand with "by-pass" filtration stayed clear.

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