General > Beating a dead horse
Are you people worth $10?
wmccall:
--- Quote ---It is a shame this happens because as you mention Bill, You saw some things you liked on the spas. My question for you is if you were in the market for a new spa , now knowing that the company promotes these types of events does it influence your decision to buy from them or would you rule them out because of the misleading advertising.
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Back in the 80s I worked for High tech company as a Field Service Rep. Frequently I had to go in where marketing people over promised what our equipment would do. I also had cases where customers damaged equipment and tried to pass it off as a warranty call. One case I referred them to my boss, and told them , what ever his decision was I could live with it. Instead he called the marketing manager who told him there would be no charge and I would be fired. So I've always considered Corporate Marketing people to be sleazy until proven otherwise. Its the only stereotype I allow myself to follow.
Knowing I have to friends happy with Master and our local dealer I might still shop, wet test, and maybe buy there, but I'm sure the subject would come up as it will the next time I need chemicals.
J._McD:
Whether we like it or not, advertising and marketing is what it is all about. You can not sell something unless you have someone to sell it too. To do that you have to "Lure" them into your presentation. If you do it with stars that you purchase to imply it is worthy of their attention, or if you mislead them in advertising to bring them in, it is all about getting their attention.
Like it or not, ethical or unethical, advertising and marketing is what it is all about. Mini-blinds have been 70% off for over 30 years now, and Art Van Furniture has been having their "best sale ever" for the past 52 consecutive week ends.
Stars that you buy are intentionally misleading for some that are listed, but yet acceptable for others because they are know to be better quality goods, but they are both doing the same thing, buying stars.
To claim "16 of the top brand spas" will be at the show has been referred to as everything from misleading to fraudulent, and I believe we can all agree on this. But, the advertisers objective is to "bring people in". Once they have come into the show, the naive and unknowing may actually end up buying and the advertiser accomplishes his objective and hits a home run, regardless of what we think.
Others may cry foul, and call it fraud and maybe it is, but it won't stop, until consumers recognize they are being lied to. In the meantime, it must be OK because they continue to do it for a reason, SALES.
Obviously, Stars, Shows & Advertising all seem to working.
windsurfdog:
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For you to see a parallel you have a most unique sense of vision .....Perhaps only you and Miss Cleo can relate these types and shows that are supported by really one company..... you stretch to make something related that is simply not...
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Please see J._McD's excellent post above. It's a shame you couldn't read it before going off on another one of your failed-anger-management tirades. But I didn't expect you to react any other way.
BTW, once again for the record, I do not like Masterspas'
approach to these shows just as I don't like Hot Springs, Sundance, Jacuzzi and others buying ratings....both, though effective, aren't entirely on the up-and-up. In trying to see them as dissimilar, Mendo, YOU have made the mistake.
Hats off to you, J._McD.....well said.
Mendocino101:
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Please see J._McD's excellent post above. It's a shame you couldn't read it before going off on another one of your failed-anger-management tirades. But I didn't expect you to react any other way.
BTW, once again for the record, I do not like Masterspas'
approach to these shows just as I don't like Hot Springs, Sundance, Jacuzzi and others buying ratings....both, though effective, aren't entirely on the up-and-up. In trying to see them as dissimilar, Mendo, YOU have made the mistake.
Hats off to you, J._McD.....well said.
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Since it written after posted I guess I should have contacted either you or Miss Cleo first. As to his point I guess he and I agree and also disagree....I do not see them in the same in light in any way shape or form ...One is advertising that is open to everyone .....We never mentioned it in our store as it is so highly questionable but when a competitor does at least we can point out yes so do we have the stars. But to some how go and promote that you are going to have 16 of the top brands at a show is very very different ....You so many times in the past basically questioned the integrity of those who posted about these shows and talk about being from Mississippi and for someone to show you before you would accept them as true and now that it is widely confirmed you link it with advertising that for the most part every manufacture participates in .....Yet you never can say hey maybe it is wrong to promote these shows in the way they are even if they do make a good product, which was never spoke about .....and least we forget about the famous "rebates" that has been so closely associated with them. As I have have said before I am happy that you like your spa ...I just wonder why you seem to be so intent on being the comapny apologist.
windsurfdog:
--- Quote ---Since it written after posted I guess I should have contacted either you or Miss Cleo first. As to his point I guess he and I agree and also disagree....I do not see them in the same in light in any way shape or form ...One is advertising that is open to everyone .....
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I'm assuming you mean that the MS ads are open to everyone where the poolsandspas.com website is not open to everyone? I had no problem getting to the poolsandspas.com site yet I have never seen nor heard anything about an MS tent sale in my area or even in the southeast so from my perspective, I could argue just the opposite.....but I won't (see comments below).
--- Quote ---We never mentioned it in our store as it is so highly questionable but when a competitor does at least we can point out yes so do we have the stars.
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So do you tell them how much your manufacturer pays to get those stars? Do you come clean that those stars are paid for and that no evaluation takes place at all? Betcha don't. Now isn't that misleading and fraudulant?
--- Quote ---But to some how go and promote that you are going to have 16 of the top brands at a show is very very different ....You so many times in the past basically questioned the integrity of those who posted about these shows and talk about being from Mississippi and for someone to show you before you would accept them as true and now that it is widely confirmed you link it with advertising that for the most part every manufacture participates in .....
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Yes, now that it has been at least 1.5 years since I questioned their existence (BTW, Missouri is the "Show Me" state), I trust that you, Bill and others have witnessed them....yes, I believe they exist and yes, though I've never seen one ad about them, I trust you and Bill and others to judge that they are advertising in a way that I do not espouse. The only reason I see parallels between their version of misleading and poolsandspas.com version of misleading is because THEY ARE BOTH MISLEADING! DUH! And I guess, like children do, its ok to pay for the stars " 'cause everyone else does it.' And like your Mother, I say, "Would you jump off a cliff because everyone else does it?"
--- Quote ---Yet you never can say hey maybe it is wrong to promote these shows in the way they are even if they do make a good product, which was never spoke about ..
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Please take the time to read my opinions about them in this and other threads......PLEASE!
--- Quote ---...and least we forget about the famous "rebates" that has been so closely associated with them.
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By all means lets dredge that one up again.....it seems to make you happy.
--- Quote --- As I have have said before I am happy that you like your spa ...I just wonder why you seem to be so intent on being the comapny apologist.
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It's not for MS.......its because of you.
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