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I don't go for the "this pump is bigger so more powerful jets". Jacuzzi has a different philosophy for their jets than HotSpring. At least that's what we were taught by the rep Since the jets in the 200 series are the same as say 60/70 percent of the spas out there, including Tiger River (I believe) and not like those in the 300/400 series. Jacuzzi's philosophy kinda goes out the window regarding jets IMO wouldn't you say? While the 300 and 400 jets are better IMO than the 200 jets I sell the 200 for what it is rather than what is not, which its not a 300/400 series. Much like you probably pitch the differences from the HS line vs the Tiger River or Limelite spa one would hope? And yes I also hate the my pump is bigger than your pump pitch when comparing similar spas with the same amount of pumps but a higher h,power, say a 2.5hp vs a 6hp pump And yes in that case the types of jets certainly would make a difference. But in the case of the Prodigy compared to the J-280 my opinion changes only because you are comparing an apple to a grape when it comes to size of the spa # of jets and # of pumps. I know the jets/filtration are better in the prodigy but for what the J-280 offers price wise its not comparable. Not that price always matters. All in all like mentioned, it is up to what the person likes and what his needs are. Yes the other stuff is debatable - that is why I put IMO on my post. Any other HotSpring guys want to chime in - debating is a good thing. I would think it would be hard to debate the structural stability of a HotSpring. I could tell some good stories on some mishaps where I was glad we were dealing with HotSpring. I would agree with that as well it would also be hard to debate the structural stability of a Jacuzzi,Sundance,Marquis,BeachComber,Arctic,Artesian,D1 and lets throw in a Caldera,Tiger River and Limelite as well. Sorry if I left someone out! Just my opinion of course. htown guy your on the right track with a wet test, both are great spas you wouldn't go wrong with either one.
Quote from: Peteyboy on October 27, 2009, 10:27:27 amI don't go for the "this pump is bigger so more powerful jets". Jacuzzi has a different philosophy for their jets than HotSpring. At least that's what we were taught by the rep Since the jets in the 200 series are the same as say 60/70 percent of the spas out there, including Tiger River (I believe) and not like those in the 300/400 series. Jacuzzi's philosophy kinda goes out the window regarding jets IMO wouldn't you say? While the 300 and 400 jets are better IMO than the 200 jets I sell the 200 for what it is rather than what is not, which its not a 300/400 series. Much like you probably pitch the differences from the HS line vs the Tiger River or Limelite spa one would hope? And yes I also hate the my pump is bigger than your pump pitch when comparing similar spas with the same amount of pumps but a higher h,power, say a 2.5hp vs a 6hp pump And yes in that case the types of jets certainly would make a difference. But in the case of the Prodigy compared to the J-280 my opinion changes only because you are comparing an apple to a grape when it comes to size of the spa # of jets and # of pumps. I know the jets/filtration are better in the prodigy but for what the J-280 offers price wise its not comparable. Not that price always matters. All in all like mentioned, it is up to what the person likes and what his needs are. Yes the other stuff is debatable - that is why I put IMO on my post. Any other HotSpring guys want to chime in - debating is a good thing. I would think it would be hard to debate the structural stability of a HotSpring. I could tell some good stories on some mishaps where I was glad we were dealing with HotSpring. I would agree with that as well it would also be hard to debate the structural stability of a Jacuzzi,Sundance,Marquis,BeachComber,Arctic,Artesian,D1 and lets throw in a Caldera,Tiger River and Limelite as well. Sorry if I left someone out! Just my opinion of course. htown guy your on the right track with a wet test, both are great spas you wouldn't go wrong with either one. I agree with some of what you say. You are right on the jets, the 200 series can't compare to the 300 or 400 series, thank you for the correction. I must disagree with the structural integrity issue. IMO I would put HotSpring above the others that I have been delivering for many years, Jacuzzi, Sundance & Caldera. We have carried those brands and they are the ones I have personal experience with. Would you go up to a Sundance, Jacuzzi or Caldera and kick the side hard? This is how I show customers how strong HotSpring Spas are.I am still not sure but believe HotSpring is the only one of at least that bunch that allows you to shim.I love the fact that Sundance & Jacuzzi are together - IMO the Sundance control box was a major improvement for Jacuzzi and has put Jacuzzi near the top in reliability.To the original poster htownguy - sorry I got into this long debate - the Jacuzzi is definitely a great spa. You won't go wrong with either choice.
Quote from: Jacuzzi Jim on October 27, 2009, 02:31:16 pmQuote from: Peteyboy on October 27, 2009, 10:27:27 amI don't go for the "this pump is bigger so more powerful jets". Jacuzzi has a different philosophy for their jets than HotSpring. At least that's what we were taught by the rep Since the jets in the 200 series are the same as say 60/70 percent of the spas out there, including Tiger River (I believe) and not like those in the 300/400 series. Jacuzzi's philosophy kinda goes out the window regarding jets IMO wouldn't you say? While the 300 and 400 jets are better IMO than the 200 jets I sell the 200 for what it is rather than what is not, which its not a 300/400 series. Much like you probably pitch the differences from the HS line vs the Tiger River or Limelite spa one would hope? And yes I also hate the my pump is bigger than your pump pitch when comparing similar spas with the same amount of pumps but a higher h,power, say a 2.5hp vs a 6hp pump And yes in that case the types of jets certainly would make a difference. But in the case of the Prodigy compared to the J-280 my opinion changes only because you are comparing an apple to a grape when it comes to size of the spa # of jets and # of pumps. I know the jets/filtration are better in the prodigy but for what the J-280 offers price wise its not comparable. Not that price always matters. All in all like mentioned, it is up to what the person likes and what his needs are. Yes the other stuff is debatable - that is why I put IMO on my post. Any other HotSpring guys want to chime in - debating is a good thing. I would think it would be hard to debate the structural stability of a HotSpring. I could tell some good stories on some mishaps where I was glad we were dealing with HotSpring. I would agree with that as well it would also be hard to debate the structural stability of a Jacuzzi,Sundance,Marquis,BeachComber,Arctic,Artesian,D1 and lets throw in a Caldera,Tiger River and Limelite as well. Sorry if I left someone out! Just my opinion of course. htown guy your on the right track with a wet test, both are great spas you wouldn't go wrong with either one. I agree with some of what you say. You are right on the jets, the 200 series can't compare to the 300 or 400 series, thank you for the correction. I must disagree with the structural integrity issue. IMO I would put HotSpring above the others that I have been delivering for many years, Jacuzzi, Sundance & Caldera. We have carried those brands and they are the ones I have personal experience with. Would you go up to a Sundance, Jacuzzi or Caldera and kick the side hard? This is how I show customers how strong HotSpring Spas are.I am still not sure but believe HotSpring is the only one of at least that bunch that allows you to shim.I love the fact that Sundance & Jacuzzi are together - IMO the Sundance control box was a major improvement for Jacuzzi and has put Jacuzzi near the top in reliability.To the original poster htownguy - sorry I got into this long debate - the Jacuzzi is definitely a great spa. You won't go wrong with either choice. Well I suppose if the customer wanted to kick his spa now and then that would be fine, I could kick a Jacuzzi pretty dang hard and it would probably be fine. But, kicking a spa doesn't exactly prove the structural stability of a spa. It just proves you can kick it and hopefully not damage it. I think you have been lucky in this regard not actually damaging the spa skirt. Bout the only time I ever wanted to kick my spa would have been after watching a recent SeaHawks game As far as shimming, I have shimmed many a Jacuzzi with out any issues, if its done right, then it shouldn't be an issue. And I would be willing to guess if a HS owner shimmed his spa with say just a 4x4 on one end with no support underneath and there was an issue I doubt even H,Springs wouldn't cover that, if they in fact knew how it was shimmed. Could be wrong? Anyway we can go on and on the site could use a little action, anyone else care to chime in??
I think if anyone wants to continue this another thread should be started. I feel bad that I kind of hijacked this thread and I apologize to the thread starter.
I've dropped spas off trailers on the road, dropped stacks of 3 spas, etc and never had a problem with any of them.
Quote from: Peteyboy on October 27, 2009, 04:59:06 pm I've dropped spas off trailers on the road, dropped stacks of 3 spas, etc and never had a problem with any of them. Holy Cow. How many spas have you dropped Petey? Sounds like it has happened several times before. Is that normal?