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(Arctic hasn't changed - we got it right the first time well aren't we cocky.... see Bonibelle/WeWanna here I was defending Arctic Spas and this guy comes in talking trash.Another "well several years ago....blah blah"BTW Tommy2Tone can you post a source/url of the study I'd like to look over it and see if you are "cherry picking" as well as get a feel for whether there is any bias.
Zep, Now about those Cowboys If it wasn't for the cheerleaders I wouldn't pay an ounce of attention to them except for when the Lions are kicking thier butts (strange but they seem to do it often )
This thread seems to have wandered off into more interesting imagery... Since the original question was "Where does Cal Spas stack up?", I offer the following. In the test conducted by the Alberta Research Council, a Cal Spas Atlantic showed the highest specific power consumption out of the eight spas tested. In the room temperature (20C) test, it used 50% more power than the next worst spa (A Coast Spas Lanai Silver). In the cold temperature (-12C) test, it used over twice as much power as the Lanai.This is neither "brand bashing" nor opinion but objective fact. In fairness, I draw your attention to another fact, which is that this testing was conducted seven years ago, and it is possible that both Coast and Cal have made significant changes to the way they construct and/or insulate their products to improve their energy efficiency (Arctic hasn't changed - we got it right the first time ).Comments?
"Zep, nice ride, it that Your Escalade in the background??"[/i]WaWanna....No....thats what Holly wantsI jokingly said the first time I saw Holly "all that girl needs to do is move to Dallas, behave, and she'll be drivin an Escalade."I love Escalades, but I love my SUV too! "Speaking of neutral, since I am a HUGE Steelers fan, I won't comment on the Cowboys!!!" [/b]The Steelers?Oh NO!!!!!We still owe ya one.When we beat the Steelers in the '96 Super BowlThe first thing I did after the game ended on the cold Jan night was run out into my front yard point up to heaven and scream "DAD, DAD...WE FINALLY GOT THOSE STEELERS!"My Dad & I never fully recovered from those 2 losses to Pittsburgh in the Super Bowls in the 70's.Even today it makes me ill to watch those two games.Hopefully we'll even the head to head Super Bowl score soon! (Jackie Smith drops sure touchdown pass in Super Bowl vs. SteelersDallas settles for a field goal in a game it loses by four points)
Hey all, I will try to remain neutral, since I am looking at Arctic!! But, Zep, since you are the only (apparent) Cal owner, I guess you could steer this thread whatever way you want!! Just glad I could help you think happy thoughts!! Zep, nice ride, it that Your Escalade in the background??Speaking of neutral, since I am a HUGE Steelers fan, I won't comment on the Cowboys!!![size=20]GO STEELERS!! [/size]
Lots of great info coming out here, I'll give Cal Spas a try in the wet test to see how it goes. Trying Hotspring and D1 tomorrow.[size=22]GO CHARGERS!!![/size]
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A simple check of the California Energy Commission’s appliance data base shows that Cal Spas already has 45 specific Cal Spa models certified ...
well aren't we cocky.... .
That seems to support my guess that Cal may have improved their products since the ARC test. If so, good for them!As for Arctic not being there, there were NO Canadian manufacturers on the list as of June 3, 2008. That doesn't mean that Arctic or the other Canadian-made spas can't or don't meet the CEC standards. It seems reasonable that products designed for the Canadian climate should be able to meet standards for balmy California. But we'll see. According to our R&D guys, our hypothermic chamber has been CEC approved so we are now a certified CEC test center. I'm not sure what progress we have made on the testing but next time I'm over at the lab I'll ask.Since we do export to California, we will need to meet those standards. Please keep an eye on the CEC list for future developments.
A short follow up.Those manufactures with models on the CEC Title 20 approved list are:Artesian Spas, Bullfrog International, Cal Spas, Clearwater Spas, Dimension One Spas, Master Spas Inc., Softub Inc., Spa Manufacture, Inc., ThermoSpas, Inc., Watkins Manufacturing Company (every single HSS & Caldera brand spa model are on the list)As you can see, it is a rather short list.Tom is correct when he points out that there are no Canadian brands on the list.Also remarkable is that the list indicates if the tub model is fully foam insulated or not. [glow]There is not a single non-fully foamed spa on the list as well.[/glow][glow]Perhaps this will help with the FF vs TP debate.[/glow]I think maybe you misread the report. It doesn’t say that spa's are Full Foamed. It reads, “Spa Enclosure Fully Insulated". That doesn’t have to mean FF. I know that Clearwater and Softubs are not FF spas, same as Thermospas. Last I checked Masters Spas were not FF either, or offered an option that was not FF. In my opinion, this had nothing to do with the debate of FF vs. TP, but after seeing all of those TP spas on this Gospel California report, maybe it will start giving some TP spas credibility.