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The seating is very similiar to the D1 Amore bay, with 2 huge seats and some other smaller barriered seating. I know our dealer has Coyotes, I think they had a Renegade, but it's been a while, it could have been a Chieftain. But, the 3 year warranty leaves that as a Tub I wouldn't want to purchase.Still looking at the Tundra, though, and waiting to hear from my dealer.Hoping I am not getting my hopes up too high, since it's the ""top o' the line" Thanks--Chrisi
I get the impression that the Arctic competitive advantage is the Forever Floor. Frankly I don't think customers buy a spa because of the base.
this is directly from the predelivery instructions for a jacuzzi spa with the ABS floor"We recommend a poured,reinforced concrete slab with a minimum thickness of 4 inches (10 centimeters). Wood deckingis also acceptable provided it is constructed so that it meets the requirements outlined above"the following is directly from Arctics Forever Floor descriptions"Already renowned for our sturdy wood floor, standard on every Arctic Spa, our engineers decided to raise the bar yet again by developing the Forever Floor®. Composed of hand-rolled fiberglass composites, this floor is impervious to moisture, pests, and time. It completely eliminates the need for foundation materials like concrete, decking, or blocks! Just set it on the ground, hook it up, fill and use...installation has never been easier and your floor will last forever in any conditions. In addition, your portable spa is now truly portable. If you move spa locations in your yard or if you move across town, the foundation comes with you."
For one you are putting way to much in the base, yes base not floor of your spa, just because it says what it says in Jacuzzis recommendations, doesn't mean it has to be done that way. I have done well over 100+ Jacuzzis on pea gravel, crushed rock, sand, grass and probably some other chit as well. I know for a fact you can do that with almost any spa for that matter, as long as its level and packed it would be fine. The way your spouting about it sounds like its the only thing that spa has going for it. Since your engineers were raising the bar with a base thats made of fiberglass rather than ABS and the fact that the base of the spa comes with it if you decide to move it, is the dumbest statement I have ever heard! What it sounds like is if you move anybody else's spa the base stays there? Well yeah the cement pad, deck, patio whatever is not going to go with the spa, but the abs pan,wood base structure of the spa is going with it. thats true of any spa. And since your engineers are raising the bar an ABS pan, fiberglass pan is not bar raising, How about coming out with a different type of filtration, instead of the 50 sq ft filter system in your 12.000 dollar Legend SE, the smallest Jacuzzi J-315 has 2 60 SQ ft. Why don't they come out with a new style of jet, Jacuzzi and Sundance both come out with new types and styles continuously to improve hydro therapy. Same with filtration not so much in Jacuzzi, but Sundance is always trying something new and innovative. I will say your ozone system looks good, but pretty much the same as D1 or Artesian has. All in all your spa is nice, and their every bit as nice as the next guys, but you want bar raising talk to your engineers and tell them to think And design something original. Cause looking at your web site I don't see anything there earth shattering. I should add, the fact you can stand on your covers is cool, but why would you want to stand on it? In the last 9 years of being in the spa world, I have never seen a cover break cause somebody stood on it.Im done with this now.
So whats the deal with the "Forever floor"? Whats wrong with the normal floor of your spa that it warrants a forever floor? Why not just put a forever floor in every spa? Curious as I don't have a arctic dealer around here to even sell against?
Ooh, a nice off-topic side trip! Well, a quick google gave me these: "PC/ABS 1851G10L is a polycarbonate/ABS blend that has been reinforced with 10% fiberglass by weight. The addition of fiberglass provides high tensile strength and rigidity while preserving optimum impact resistance." (http://www.mdayinc.com/data_sheets/pcabs/PCABS1000/PC-ABS1851G10L.pdf). Note that they add fiberglass to it for "strength and rigidity" while the bouncy plastic ABS gives good "impact resistance"."Fiberglass...provide... a smooth finish on both sides, a controlled wall thickness, and/or ...compound curves, molded-in color, high strength to weight ratios...fiberglass-molded products also meet the FMVSS 302 flammability standard...Vacuum Formed ABS Plastic has become a standard for interior plastic parts...because of its relatively low cost" (http://www.arrowheadinc.com/Projects/fiberglass-plastic-truck-parts.php). That's pretty clear - fiberglass is strong, ABS is flexible and cheap. I mean, 'low cost'. You can probably find some scientific data about shear strength, tensile strength etc. if you look. Let us know what you find.
Jimmy.... Come on now you said so yourself that you don't even compete against a Arctic Dealer, so how do you know what they are and aren't doing??? No one ever said that the Jacuzzi pan was a bad thing did they?? or did I miss something here.
Hey, guys, what about the WHOLE PICTURE!!! I just gotta throw in my 2 cents worth