Dealers- What are your Spa's 2008 Warranty?

[Summitman]

What is interesting about the pie chart is that, for the first time I'm told, 4 spa manufacturers account for over 50% of all sales worldwide.  The pie is shrinking and the herd is thinning........consumers want value and stability and the companies that provide that will continue to be successful.

Everyone thinks their spa is the best, as they should.  Most of the brands represented on this forum are wonderful products.  Some of them are pure crap.

Once again, it doesn't matter one bit what we spa salesmen believe is the best spa... it is the customers that make that decision.  I'm just truly thankful and feel very honored and fortunate that so many of them like what our company offers.

Term

as does mickey d's!

[Richs100]

By all means, research into what setting precedence in a legal ruling is all about  (it would take me days to properly explain it).... (for background, my ex is one of those scum sucking sleaze bag sharks)[/quote]

Ouch, Ouch!  That personally hurt!
But I guess "If the foo sh*ts......."

(good thing shark skin is tough)

[Steve]

Dr. Spa™.... :-?

Can I get "Steve" Trademarked as well? :-/  8-)

Steve

[Dr. Spa™ Ret.]

Dr. Spa™.... :-?

Can I get "Steve" Trademarked as well? :-/  8-)

Steve

Maybe in Canadia  

[Chas]

funny, I bet the same graph can be made for hamburgers sold worldwide, but I wouldnt say McDonalds has the best hamburgers!!!

You know, I hear that a lot. I think it is flawed thinking. I like their burgers just fine - have you tried the new Angus burger? Jack in the Box is spending their ad money making fun of it - does that tell you they are worried?

Even though many people will step forward and knock McDonald's hamburgers, they still seem to outsell all others. So even if YOU don't like them, there are plenty of folks who do.

 8-)

[Summitman]

You know, I hear that a lot. I think it is flawed thinking. I like their burgers just fine - have you tried the new Angus burger? Jack in the Box is spending their ad money making fun of it - does that tell you they are worried?

Even though many people will step forward and knock McDonald's hamburgers, they still seem to outsell all others. So even if YOU don't like them, there are plenty of folks who do.

 8-)

Im not knocking the burger, just saying that more locations leads to more burgers.  Doesnt mean that the burger is better. If someone wants to have a really good meal they tend to not go to McDonalds, even though they are the number one selling burger.

[loosenupspas]

I apologize that it took me this long to copy up a Coleman Warranty.  Where is says Life Time, courts can say what they want, I will follow the letter of the warranty until I die off.  There isn't anything in a hot tub warranty worth going to court over, lifetime is just as it says.  

Listening to Bonnie Raitt on the new Sony splash sound system in my floor demo.....sweet tones

[Tom]

I like the Forever Floor quite a bit...I would, however, like to see some sort of backing for the claims that fiberglass is better than the space-age ABS...

Ooh, a nice off-topic side trip!  Well, a quick google gave me these:

• "PC/ABS 1851G10L is a polycarbonate/ABS blend that has been reinforced with 10% fiberglass by weight. The addition of fiberglass provides high tensile strength and rigidity while preserving optimum impact resistance." (http://www.mdayinc.com/data_sheets/pcabs/PCABS1000/PC-ABS1851G10L.pdf).  Note that they add fiberglass to it for "strength and rigidity" while the bouncy plastic ABS gives good "impact resistance".
  
• "Fiberglass...provide... a smooth finish on both sides, a controlled wall thickness, and/or ...compound curves, molded-in color, high strength to weight ratios...fiberglass-molded products also meet the FMVSS 302 flammability standard...Vacuum Formed ABS Plastic has become a standard for interior plastic parts...because of its relatively low cost"  (http://www.arrowheadinc.com/Projects/fiberglass-plastic-truck-parts.php).  
  

That's pretty clear - fiberglass is strong, ABS is flexible and cheap. I mean, 'low cost'.    

You can probably find some scientific data about shear strength, tensile strength etc. if you look.  Let us know what you find.

[Micah]

You know, I hear that a lot. I think it is flawed thinking. I like their burgers just fine - have you tried the new Angus burger? Jack in the Box is spending their ad money making fun of it - does that tell you they are worried?

Even though many people will step forward and knock McDonald's hamburgers, they still seem to outsell all others. So even if YOU don't like them, there are plenty of folks who do.

 8-)

As soon you tried to say McDonalds has a good burger, you lost some credibility.

[Swell-Tub]

As soon you tried to say McDonalds has a good burger, you lost some credibility.

Those are fighting words. My wife was a General Manager at McDonalds and she still loves there hamburgers best. She went to McDonalds University and saw the quality of hamburger they buy compared to competitors. To each their own....

[Jacuzzi Jim]

Ooh, a nice off-topic side trip!  Well, a quick google gave me these:

• "PC/ABS 1851G10L is a polycarbonate/ABS blend that has been reinforced with 10% fiberglass by weight. The addition of fiberglass provides high tensile strength and rigidity while preserving optimum impact resistance." (http://www.mdayinc.com/data_sheets/pcabs/PCABS1000/PC-ABS1851G10L.pdf).  Note that they add fiberglass to it for "strength and rigidity" while the bouncy plastic ABS gives good "impact resistance".
  
• "Fiberglass...provide... a smooth finish on both sides, a controlled wall thickness, and/or ...compound curves, molded-in color, high strength to weight ratios...fiberglass-molded products also meet the FMVSS 302 flammability standard...Vacuum Formed ABS Plastic has become a standard for interior plastic parts...because of its relatively low cost"  (http://www.arrowheadinc.com/Projects/fiberglass-plastic-truck-parts.php).  
  

That's pretty clear - fiberglass is strong, ABS is flexible and cheap. I mean, 'low cost'.    

You can probably find some scientific data about shear strength, tensile strength etc. if you look.  Let us know what you find.

  Well not sure about other ABS pans, but the Jacuzzi base is not very flexible, and has done the job just fine for the last 20 years plus, its been around longer than Arctic spa's was a dream in someones head. The other issue is the dang spa just sits there, its not bouncing up and down and doing jump and jacks.  As long as it holds up for  what its designed to do who cares what its made of?     All I know either hold up better than wood buried in a deck in the Pac NW.


  I would say if the "Forever Floor" is the ticket why charge a customer for it.  Jacuzzi does somewhere in the cost but a customer will never notice or question it.   Whats the "Forever floor run the customer I am guess 3 to 500 on top of the price of the spa.  Except the Legend which is already 12 grand?
  

[Micah]

I'll take an "in-n-out" any day over a big mac.  But if we are talking about a quality burger, i'll start the list.

1. fathers office (L.A.)
2. The apple tin (West L.A.)
3. Big mikes (Long Beach)
4. Santa Barbra Brewing Co. (Santa Barbra )
and if you like em greasy


TOMMY'S Chilli Burgers all over Los Angeles

[Micah]

  Well not sure about other ABS pans, but the Jacuzzi base is not very flexible, and has done the job just fine for the last 20 years plus, its been around longer than Arctic spa's was a dream in someones head. The other issue is the dang spa just sits there, its not bouncing up and down and doing jump and jacks.  As long as it holds up for  what its designed to do who cares what its made of?     All I know either hold up better than wood buried in a deck in the Pac NW.


  I would say if the "Forever Floor" is the ticket why charge a customer for it.  Jacuzzi does somewhere in the cost but a customer will never notice or question it.   Whats the "Forever floor run the customer I am guess 3 to 500 on top of the price of the spa.  Except the Legend which is already 12 grand?
  

J.J.
Don't forget that the original Jacuzzi Pan Bottom was a fiberglass pan.  It was "upgraded" to an A.B.S. pan since the fiberglass became brittle after a while.  
Jacuzzi has been doing it for so long they know what works and what dosent.  I find it funny when a small company comes up with what they think is a great idea, only to realize that Jacuzzi beat them to it by 20 years.

[Summitman]

J.J.
Don't forget that the original Jacuzzi Pan Bottom was a fiberglass pan.  It was "upgraded" to an A.B.S. pan since the fiberglass became brittle after a while.  
Jacuzzi has been doing it for so long they know what works and what dosent.  I find it funny when a small company comes up with what they think is a great idea, only to realize that Jacuzzi beat them to it by 20 years.

Small company???  Maybe you can explain how Arctic is a small company.  And may I ask if you have ever actually seen an Arctic Spa with your own eyes?

[Micah]

Small company???  Maybe you can explain how Arctic is a small company.  And may I ask if you have ever actually seen an Arctic Spa with your own eyes?

Well compared to the giants (Jacuzzi Hot Springs Sundance ) Artic does seem like a small company.  
Small is not always a bad thing.  I'm more impresses when you mix size  with longevity.

For the record I look at every brand that shows up at the Aqua show or the N.S.P.I. show (or what ever they call it now) and yes i have looked at Artic several times