If you had to rank Hot tubs

[hottubdan]

My guess is the above numbers are way low.  Maybe not Arctic.

If one guesses the average cost of a spa then one guesses how many a manufacturer makes annually, you will see these numbers are way low.

If average cost is $3000, above would have Watkins @25000 units.
If average cost is $3500, above would have Watkins @21000+ units.
If average cost is $4000, above would have Watkins @18750 units.

That doesn't count chems, accessories, parts, covers, etc.

If average cost is $3000, above would have Arctic @17500+ units.
If average cost is $3500, above would have Arctic @15000+ units.
If average cost is $4000, above would have Arctic @13000+ units.

[loosenupspas]

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I say Coleman!  

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Vanissa.....You are soooooo right the Coleman 461 is a sweet tub......comfy, massagey and easy to use.....what is not to love about a Coleman?

[Mendocino101]

Well, I personally did over 3/4 million in Watkins sales last year. (Very slow year). Multiply that by the 500+ dealers around the world - or 700 if you want to include Caldera dealers, and I think we would have a higher number than $75M.

I do not, however, have any numbers from the mother ship to back this up.

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I would assume those are wholesale numbers ( not yours Chas) but I do not think they answer the question of the poster. I think as we all know and has been said many times before Marquis is # opps....oh never mind that.... ....but really there are several good company's making tubs and just as important taking care of owners after the sale. I am amazed at there seems to be no middle ground between a Costco tub, Diamante, etc, and  Hot Springs, Sundance, Marquis etc, what I mean is that when you look at flash tubs yes they give a lot more than the value lines from the above makers among other "premium lines" but the fit and finish is not there, but you do get a whole lot of "stuff" it is just not on par with the others and yet the others value lines are nicely put together you give up items compared to a "Costco" like tub. I think there could be a better job done by all of narrowing the gap.



I am sorry in rereading the question maybe it does answer it.

[D.P. Roberts]

As to my numbers, I got them off hoovers dot com. Here's where I posted them:

http://www.poolspaforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9292&st=60

In that thread Tom says that the number I posted for Arctic is from fiscal 2004, so they're about two years old. Tom says that more current figures are in Profit Magazine, June 2006 issue. I haven't tried to look that up yet - I've been too busy watching the Indians (and a swarm of midges) devour the Yankees!

[Neptuner]

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Vanissa.....You are soooooo right the Coleman 461 is a sweet tub......comfy, massagey and easy to use.....what is not to love about a Coleman?

My neighbor complains about the high price of kerosene.

[TravelingSpaGuy]

1.D1
2.Hot springs
3.Sundance
4.Marquis
5.Bullfrog (they still under the radar but man am I falling inlove with this tub)
6.Jacuzzi
7.Arctic (only tub I would ever own without foam)
8.Caldera
9.Catalina
10.ThermoSpa (I would never buy one of these because they are the most over priced spa and dont insulate, but having seeing one running in the field they have good jets, look well built and I would probably pick Master Spa if I didnt think they should have some execs arrested for some white collar crimes.)

[Spatech_tuo]

10.ThermoSpa (I would never buy one of these because they are the most over priced spa and dont insulate, but having seeing one running in the field they have good jets, look well built and I would probably pick Master Spa if I didnt think they should have some execs arrested for some white collar crimes.)

You could have just stopped at your top 9!!

[Gomboman]

1.D1
2.Hot springs
3.Sundance
4.Marquis
5.Bullfrog (they still under the radar but man am I falling inlove with this tub)
6.Jacuzzi
7.Arctic (only tub I would ever own without foam)
8.Caldera
9.Catalina
10.ThermoSpa (I would never buy one of these because they are the most over priced spa and dont insulate, but having seeing one running in the field they have good jets, look well built and I would probably pick Master Spa if I didnt think they should have some execs arrested for some white collar crimes.)

Traveler,

Can you tell us why you prefer D1? What do you think of their ozone system? Why is the D1 factory next door to Watkins? Are there any connections (or bad blood) between the two companies?

[In Canada eh]

5.Bullfrog (they still under the radar but man am I falling inlove with this tub)

I am happy to see you ranked Bullfrog so high.  For someone who sees a number of different tubs out there can you say what it was about the Bullfrog that impressed you?

[bohms]

Travelingspaguy has something against Artesian.    

[Spiderman]

After seeing a Keys Backyard out in the field the other day, I'd say they're #1        As for what customers say; 750,000 + Hot Spring owners can't be wrong  8-)

[TBRADS914]

I am just starting a search for a hot tub / spa. I haven't seen anthing about cal spas on the opinion rankings. What is the feeling about their tubs?

[tony]

Traveler,

Can you tell us why you prefer D1? What do you think of their ozone system? Why is the D1 factory next door to Watkins? Are there any connections (or bad blood) between the two companies?

D1 was spawned from HotSrings.  I don't know the details but I believe the founders of D1 were originally a HotSprings dealer.  

[rick]

My neighbor complains about the high price of kerosene.

I knew it wouldn't take long.   A couple of people rave about their Colemans, and the peanut gallery starts shooting.

Get over it.   There is a TP tub out there that works and pleases many folks.  

[rick]

I am just starting a search for a hot tub / spa. I haven't seen anthing about cal spas on the opinion rankings. What is the feeling about their tubs?

Can't speak for their build quality over the last 3 years but their biggest knock is the hard sale and the lack of service afterwards.   If/when you have a problem, their company motto is to try to blame you for your spa care negligance and thus voiding of the warranty.   Never buy a spa from a dealer who will give you the shaft when you need him most.